Patch 1.10

[Sunfire]

I do hope our speculation about no class changes happening before Storm Legion is correct. I don't want to see any band-aids before the expansion. Just take your time, Trion, and fix the souls and new abilities the right way.

Mage PvP and Cleric PvE DPS are overdue for help and it won't wait until the expansion.

[lomax]

@lomax- Elementalist has never achieved viability as an active main soul, its pets are some of the weakest in terms of outputs (having some synergy, scaling and pvp crossover issues), it lacks general defensive options in pvp, and its main dmg rotation is a bit poor- its intent was to adjust its dmg down to compensate for pet dmg but as a result is easily outprioritized by abilities in side souls. The few times it has been used in the past are only really as a side soul to pyromancer or stormcaller, and even then only mainly for the passive dmg bonuses of tempest/greater wind pet. No soul should be designed with only levelling in mind, it is a temporary part of gameplay with limited benefit. But even if this is the case ele is far from ideal, being used only as a side soul for the tank pet. Aside from sending in the pet few elementalist abilities are actively used, I don't think its a stretch to suggest that the soul needs a lot of help, especially with the extra pet range reduction this patch. The concept of an elemental summoner is great, it could really use some more emphasis though.

Well as a Ele / SC / Chrolo i can solo 2-3 Elite Mobs easy and do all the quest in EI , with this spec i use both ELE and SC abilities and i spend 80% time in this spec and i do not think there is anything wrong with it at all. it does what its supposed to do and that is allow you to solo play.

Next you will be telling me the PVP Specs should be 100% viable in progression raids too ?!

I quit WOW because of all the QQ people were doing , they wanted every Tank , Healer and DPS to be Viable and they Got it . All the Classes are the same, total garbage !

I liked to have to change specs when i change rolls in the game , leveling specs are good because you do not have full talents so a spec combo that works with few tools in leveling would be super OP at 50. I like having a unique PVP and Soloing Spec . What i do not ever want to see i one spec that a player can stay in forever and be 100% in no matter what they are doing !

[lomax]

I still don't think we should assume these problems are going to go away with SL, aside from the new soul, and additional abilities, little has been directly suggested about mage soul changes. Some of the issues like pet scaling, and chloro healing reductions with valor, and lack of pvp survivability across various souls need touchups. If these are really being adjusted I would think they could release some stuff ahead of time that wouldn't be too hard to incorporate with the main expansion patch and could help alleviate some of the lack of diversity.

god really PVP Survivability ?! as a 33/33/0 Chrolo / Lock / Dom i am un kill able as it is! had a rogue and a warrior beating on me for 5 mins , they finally gave up in disgust . that is the Mage tank spec , i do not want any other mage spec to be as survivable as it is . my Pyro / Lock / Arch is a glass cannon , he dies in a stiff wind blows his way. that is the point i trade Survivability for DPS , i want a game where you have to change specs to match the condition you find your self in .

On my pyro mage i am at the top of the dps in most WF , on my Lock , chrolo i am mid on both DPS and Healing and low on deaths . If you are not a P50 , and you get blown over , well its not the spec its your gear, thats is a different gripe.

[Effeil]

god really PVP Survivability ?! as a 33/33/0 Chrolo / Lock / Dom i am un kill able as it is! had a rogue and a warrior beating on me for 5 mins , they finally gave up in disgust . that is the Mage tank spec , i do not want any other mage spec to be as survivable as it is . my Pyro / Lock / Arch is a glass cannon , he dies in a stiff wind blows his way. that is the point i trade Survivability for DPS , i want a game where you have to change specs to match the condition you find your self in .

On my pyro mage i am at the top of the dps in most WF , on my Lock , chrolo i am mid on both DPS and Healing and low on deaths . If you are not a P50 , and you get blown over , well its not the spec its your gear, thats is a different gripe.

I laughed when I read that.

Chloro/lock is not even a threat.

And we have a scoreboard genius here, move on x.x

[Lailonn]

Day after day comes....yet no info about 1.10 or expansion. I have bad feeling about this ;/

[Jonus]

Day after day comes....yet no info about 1.10 or expansion. I have bad feeling about this ;/

I'd love to say "You must be new" but I don't quite feel like trolling.

The current Summerfest event ends on 25th July, and according to the GTV whiteboard, an estimate for the start of 1.10 would be 29th August 2012 (although this might have changed since the announcement by GW2 of its launch on 28th August 2012).

In this case, looking at previous PTS notes we'll probably hear about 1.10 Patch Notes Set #1 some time, perhaps a week or two after Summerfest ends.

If 1.10 is the patch before Storm Legion and we don't have a 1.11, I am guessing that it will have a world event introducing the beginning of Storm Legion. I.e., it will be something along the lines of the Travel Stones world event that occured the patch before we got Ember Isle.

[Venditte]

Elrar confirmed on the live stream that 1.10 will make it easier to do content with the opposite faction.. YES!

[Velexia]

Mage PvE DPS is only competitive now due to a band-aid fix. The mage souls were never fixed in the first place and they have had plenty of time to address the issue. Had this been a newer issue I might have agreed with you, but it's not. The current imbalance in the mage souls is a long standing problem and only persist due to neglect by Trion. To have the mage community wait after they have been so patient already is not the best of customer service.

No this is not correct. Trion, between patches 1.1-1.6, made enormous class and soul changes, however, the player community at large felt like rubbers bands and gave feed back that large class and soul changes that Trion was doing was too much to often. I remember seeing it in chat, I remember seeing it the forums.

Personally, I like when developers realize things are incorrect with a soul or class and make these sweeping changes but most do not. I especially like it when it is not my favorite soul and it is somebody else's-- don't touch my souls bro! .

Nothing in the Mage souls are overtly broken, clunky, and some bugs, overly complicated rotations, a couple of really powerful talents that should be base skill. I am of the opinion that they should leave most alone and let the expansion offer us a Tabula Rosa ( Clean Slate ) and spend their time and money making the expansion as polished as possible.

Well that's my two cents

[Kormus]

I quit WOW because of all the QQ people were doing , they wanted every Tank , Healer and DPS to be Viable and they Got it . All the Classes are the same, total garbage !

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Of course, the same homogenisation will happen if there is an incredible margin of difference between the power levels of the souls. As noted before, people will be (and routinely are) pressured to lock into a particular build because it's the only viable spec of the month.

Some people like the flavour that a particular soul brings to the table. Some people want to run around with their elemental pets and play all the content of the game with the spec they enjoy the most. Do they deserve to be laughed (or worse) off a PvP field because they don't have Pyro shoehorned in?

It's an incredibly difficult situation because the flexibility the soul system promises will always be at odds with the intolerance of the player base. Very similar to the contrast between the player who derives joy from playing the class that suits them best and the player who is only happy when they are riding the top of the DPS/HPS charts. (Or the lucky ones to whom these categories overlap from time to time)

Depending on which camp of player you fall into, RIFT either has 32 souls of variety, or 4 somewhat similar classes. RIFT is a very interesting case study because more often or not, the variety it offers is entirely dependant on the person playing.

Should all the souls be the same? Absolutely not. Should they all be viable? Absolutely.

[mo0trix]

god really PVP Survivability ?! as a 33/33/0 Chrolo / Lock / Dom i am un kill able as it is! had a INCREDIBLY BAD rogue PROBABLY IN BARD SPEC and a EQUALLY TERRIBLE warrior beating on me IN GREENS for 5 mins , they finally gave up in disgust . .

Fixed for you.

[Knutplate]

Mage PvP and Cleric PvE DPS are overdue for help and it won't wait until the expansion.

I disagree.

As I don't play either one of those classes, it can wait indefinitely.

[Jinkies79]

On an unrelated note, Venditte's avatar and sig pictures creep me out. That is all.

[Zyzyx]

Day after day comes....yet no info about 1.10 or expansion. I have bad feeling about this ;/

What 1.9 not having any meaningful class changes didn't give you a hint?

They are putting most of their eggs in the storm legion basket.

[Inixia]

What 1.9 not having any meaningful class changes didn't give you a hint?

They are putting most of their eggs in the storm legion basket.

Many mage souls haven't had significant changes since 1.6/1.7. I would more seriously subscribe to the idea that they have been secretly working on balancing out all of these existing issues in Storm Legion if they at least acknowledged the current issues in the classes and said general areas they were working on (and I want to believe, I really do). Right now it seems a bit too hopeful to think all these issues are just waiting to get fixed in Storm Legion (and the changes are such that none can be introduced earlier than that).

[TheWanderer]

Many mage souls haven't had significant changes since 1.6/1.7. I would more seriously subscribe to the idea that they have been secretly working on balancing out all of these existing issues in Storm Legion if they at least acknowledged the current issues in the classes and said general areas they were working on (and I want to believe, I really do). Right now it seems a bit too hopeful to think all these issues are just waiting to get fixed in Storm Legion (and the changes are such that none can be introduced earlier than that).

I haven't been hopeful in awhile and the conquest was just one of the final slaps in the face.(long list of issues with that place) I really don't know what they are doing, but if they are focusing on storm legion... its either coming out within the next few months or something. I don't know, with all the new games coming out I'd be worried we won't see ghost servers. Cleric DPS despite the band aid fix isn't doing justice anymore, it needs scale with the other classes dps. Melee is so unfriendly in this game, having more than 2-3 melee is just a disaster. PF is so melee unfriendly... I know alot of frustrated rogues and warriors who like to melee and well, when it comes fight time only so many can. And mages - there is 2 dps builds and alot of useless souls like necromancer now? And honestly, when will games learn that grinding is not the answer... I hear more and more people comparing it to which shall not be named because of the grindiness to it now.