It's funny you mention folks not rolling in straight pvp gear. I tried it for ****s and giggles in Black Garden. Raid Ranger build, with mix of ID/HK gear... 50 total valor. 28 KB/0 deaths is my best 0 death ratio so far. I had a few that got a touch higher, 30 or so kills, but I had deaths. Not even the kiting crap you can do as a MM hah. :P Just good old ranged nuking via huge dps advantage. It felt a little dirty. Yeah, generally I run a mix of pvp/(ID/HK) gear. I wasn't planning to use the P50 pvp weapons before, but I figured I'd buy them for ****s and giggles. Now I'll save the favor and buy more recon vials and wrath stones.