Suggestion - Way to Make Account Bound PAs Work

[Mayi]

Well I think PAs being bound to the character is a big issue. I know myself on my main I have 60k PAs, and there is no way in hell I'm ever going to do it again... nor would I ever consider playing my alt seriously because there's too big of a difference in character strength between a full PA'd toon and one that isn't.

The PA system is forcing people to only play one character because otherwise all their characters will be too weak to be effective in raiding.

Solution?

Make it so half of all xp gained on one character gets added as PA xp on the other characters on their account. It will discourage players from min-maxing and running dailies on alts for their mains but would help people enjoy playing their alts.

It also fits into the whole 'play with your friends' thing. If there's no healers online I'd like to play my healer in my group, but can't if I feel like playing my alt will make my main fall behind. At 60k PAs I'm not at max PAs for raiding and the third tier of PAs will eventually come out but I enjoy playing my alt.

[Zenne]

Just make PA (points), Marks, Favor (basicly all currency) account bound.
While doing this too all the dailies too.

[Anuhart]

The PA system is forcing people to only play one character because otherwise all their characters will be too weak to be effective in raiding.

This is simply false.

For one, many people play alts because they want to. Many people play alts because they NEED to play them to advance PA. Many people would play alts LESS if PA was BtA.

Furthermore, and this is important as it reveals these claims as simply a masked way to want quick caps on characters; People claimed this 'can't play alts' 'gimping mains' poop and as soon as the main was PA capped, they didn't jump on alts but created more threads saying 'release T3, my main is AFKing with nothing to do'.

THAT was the teller in revealing the real intention behind BtA PA.

Remember also, you don't need any level of PA to be successful, on the contrary, people are now claiming PA has trivialised ID. Play your alts, drop the PA obsession, have fun.

[sandmany]

I would love to see changes made to the way PA works

I would love to build alts of all classes but can not face building PA points up again For every char and be grinding the same events I have spent over a year completing. Make it account bound once you reach lvl 50

Would also like the opportunity to be able to purchase extra slots on the PA tree so can have various pa builds for dps/tank/pvp ranged/melee

Yes i know you can get 12 billion points and open up everything but some of us do have jobs and lives outside of rift

[Anuhart]

I would love to see changes made to the way PA works

I would love to build alts of all classes but can not face building PA points up again For every char and be grinding the same events I have spent over a year completing. Make it account bound once you reach lvl 50

Would also like the opportunity to be able to purchase extra slots on the PA tree so can have various pa builds for dps/tank/pvp ranged/melee

Yes i know you can get 12 billion points and open up everything but some of us do have jobs and lives outside of rift

But you are asking for a change which will affect everyone.

Maybe make a suggestion for a locked casual server, then you and your associates' repetitive claims for BtA everything can go ahead in a separate world where you can have full PA/Notoriety/Marks on as many characters as you want and only actually play on one. The rest of use can carry on playing which character we want, when we want, with no infatuation with having everything now for the minimum time investment. But most of all not have individual character progression and content removed.

[Sariina]

I think a much better solution is to allow for PA levels to be packaged in to the spirit infusion items that you already get for completing quests. Make it so that unspent PA levels + 1000 planarite can be packaged up in to account bound levels.

This way the overall amount of leveling is still the same, but if people want to spread out their levels or stack one character, it really doesn't matter which character they take as long as they put in the time anyway.

[Warking]

The system is fine th way it is...

You get what you earn. My suggestion is if you like playing an alt play it and earn PA on it. If you don't then then there is no need for this.

I am totally against this idea and the concept of account bound PA or any idea of sharing PA with characters.


How about we make it so your raid character can exp for your level 1 and get to level 50 in 3 hrs. That is basically what your asking.

[Techie Will]

This is simply false.

For one, many people play alts because they want to. Many people play alts because they NEED to play them to advance PA. Many people would play alts LESS if PA was BtA.

While I won't say your opinion is wrong, blanketing all players who want bind to account PA is turning a blind eye to the other groups.

I am in the camp that I would like to see not "BtA" PA, but rather a central pool of PA points to be spent. Points earned on any character could then be used on any character, but the points are immediately bound to that character.

Saying that bind to account PA would make people not play alts is false, at least for some. Being a warrior tank, it's in my interest to invest in all the PA trees. All provide mitigation or endurance in some form to me. PA is the one true way to advance my character without waiting for the weekly raid resets. Sure, I can go play an alt any time I want, but to me I feel like I'm not doing justice to the rest of my raid team by not being "the best I can be". They won't replace me, it's not fear of that, it's simply out of the desire to give it all I can.

[Sargonnas_KoA]

While I won't say your opinion is wrong, blanketing all players who want bind to account PA is turning a blind eye to the other groups.

I am in the camp that I would like to see not "BtA" PA, but rather a central pool of PA points to be spent. Points earned on any character could then be used on any character, but the points are immediately bound to that character.

I will not support any ideas that bind PA to account. If you want to play alts then play alts. If you want to focus on your main then do that. Its your decision what your priority is in game. I don't log in, think to myself, wow I'm not doing Infernal Dawn, so Trion should make it all soloable so I can. Its basically the same logic to me. Making things easier for people that wont put the work into getting there.

[Greydoc]

But you are asking for a change which will affect everyone.

Maybe make a suggestion for a locked casual server, then you and your associates' repetitive claims for BtA everything can go ahead in a separate world where you can have full PA/Notoriety/Marks on as many characters as you want and only actually play on one. The rest of use can carry on playing which character we want, when we want, with no infatuation with having everything now for the minimum time investment. But most of all not have individual character progression and content removed.

This post comes off as though you assume your opinion is the majority.

I can tell you it's not mine. Where that leaves us I do not know. But I too would be fine with account bound PA's

[Anmila]

This is a bit OT but has to do with PA.

PvPers should be able to earn as much PA as you PvErs. Currently you are crushing us in PA. I for one am nowhere near the PA cap (not even close at all). All I do is PvP as many others do. Why should someone doing PvE have that huge of an advantage becuase they just do PvE?

Seems a bit unfair to me.

[Anuhart]

This post comes off as though you assume your opinion is the majority.

I can tell you it's not mine. Where that leaves us I do not know. But I too would be fine with account bound PA's

Then you read into it wrongly.

Majorities and minorities aside, we have a PA system that is WAI. Some people don't like it, their reasons don't make any sense to me because PA is not a requirement for anything, but some people do like it and don't want it changed.

What you should take away from my post is not minority v majority because we do not have these figures.
What you should take however is status quo, WAI, accepted and wanted by some v changing to what is not wanted by some.

I'll repeat what I have said before, a suggestion based on your own personal wants (more so when masked with what have been shown to be lies) which ignores the wants of the people happy with the status quo, is not a good thought out suggestion. If you think it is and think this should be implemented, then you agree that the very moment it is, my wants to change it back should also be implemented. So you suggest a yo-yo situation?

[Techie Will]

This is a bit OT but has to do with PA.

PvPers should be able to earn as much PA as you PvErs. Currently you are crushing us in PA. I for one am nowhere near the PA cap (not even close at all). All I do is PvP as many others do. Why should someone doing PvE have that huge of an advantage becuase they just do PvE?

Seems a bit unfair to me.

That's like PvE raiders wanting to get the same amount of PA experience as those doing the farming. It will never happen, and here is why.

Doing PA farming gets you one thing. Experience. You get no faction notoriety, you get no special marks or other currency. If you got the same amount of experience in PvP, plus favor and notoriety, there would be no reason for anyone to do anything but PvP.

I don't know anyone that actually enjoys farming PA experience, and while I'm sure there are a few out there, most people are in the same boat as you. We'd rather do other things than farm.

[Violacea]

If the PA system causes the players to want shared PA, then it means the PA system should be looked into and rehauled. Sharing such things is not good game design and would promote some weird things. Like having four level 50's and doing a 'daily' on the same toon 4x a day, literally or effectively. That starts breaking and creating loopholes into methods they purposely don't want around.

My real take is they do need to re haul the PA system somehow. Not many things in this game strike me as major time sinks or epically long being a past 4+ year Eq2 player. That game definitely tolled my time longer with pro-longed quests and grinds. But the PA system blows away almost anything you can find to 'grind' in my Eq2 experience. The PA tree to reach it's perceived max level of self effectiveness is insane starting from square 1, especially if you consider in due time each tree will have a 3rd tier and maybe another pvp one. If Trion knows this they are already working on what I said.

[Valfador]

I can keep playing 1 hour a day doing the daily things get 2-3 levels and then log off again, I am simply one of those that don't care if someone has 200 or 900 PA. In the end i'll get there, but grinding for it? no way. If i wanted to mindlessly grind ******ed amounts i'd go and play games like L2 or Aion.
The issue with PA right now is not the time it takes... It's the fact that getting levels is just simply mind blowingly boring.
Yay, running around aoe grinding packs of mobs, how original...

Rift just fell flat when it settled with being a casual friendly game in the sense that everything is easy... but takes time.