[DISCUSSION] Make Planar Attunement Experience Universal to Account

[Thorrand]

I am opposed to changing a system that works to suit people who make their own problems with it. More so when the system, WAI, suits me, when any suggested changes don't.

Nothing ulterior about it.

if said system is indeed WAI then I guess I misread the post saying they were postponing T3 PA and working on fixing the system. Is it too early or bad form to say I told you so? I'll just wait some more then...

[Azchire]

I want to be able to play my alt without feeling like I'm wasting my time.

I would love to see some account wide bonuses offered through PA.

[Anuhart]

if said system is indeed WAI then I guess I misread the post saying they were postponing T3 PA and working on fixing the system. Is it too early or bad form to say I told you so? I'll just wait some more then...

The system is WAI, some people are not seeing how it was intended and refuse to accept how it was intended.

They are holding back t3 because of the hissy fits people were having by feeling they had to max PA to feel competitive. They did what they thought the best thing to do to upset as few as possible, knowing that there will always be people who simply can't be adult about the whole thing.

But please show me where they said they were fixing anything.

The post btw.

Afternoon everyone,

We're very aware that alot of our top tier players are looking forward to Infernal Dawn, and really don't want to feel pressured to also gain more PA levels to fill out T3 nodes so they can be seen as "Competitive". This was never our intent with releasing PA T3.

[Anuhart]

Quote I copied was a part quote.

Afternoon everyone,

Just stopping in to thank everyone for their feedback and also let you all know that based on that feedback we have decided to hold back PA Tier 3 until a future update.

We're very aware that alot of our top tier players are looking forward to Infernal Dawn, and really don't want to feel pressured to also gain more PA levels to fill out T3 nodes so they can be seen as "Competitive". This was never our intent with releasing PA T3.

In addition there are definately further things we can do to improve the system as well as make it so more players can get in striking distance of being able to purchase Tier 3 bonuses when they go live.

As such we'll continue to test PA T3 on PTS for a few more weeks so we can continue to get more feedback and then shut it down before we release the 1.8 patch.

Thanks!
-Gersh

So, where is this fixing?

[Thorrand]

In addition there are definately further things we can do to improve the system as well as make it so more players can get in striking distance of being able to purchase Tier 3 bonuses when they go live.



So, where is this fixing?

But I've given up on thinking you're anything more than a narcissistic whiner yourself.

[Anuhart]

Whining, I don't think it means what you think it means.

Fixing, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[fayeran]

I undestand the issue however i don't think that the proposed solution is a good one.
A toon level must be based on the time you have spent playing it not on the time you play the game.
However I agree that the pa system as it is now prevent people from playing an alt because they think they lose their time.
I think that the issue is : why do you think you are losing your time ?
And here we go again with the endless discussion between people who think that pa is a big deal and people who think that it's not important and the part of them who think that it should give greater improvement.
I think that people think pa is a big deal because at this moment it is the only way to improve our stat that's also the reason why some peope would like pa to give better stuff.
In my opinion both of those issue will be solved with the opening of the next tier. Why ? because in my mind with one or 2 piece of gear you will have better improvement than with a lot of pa.
I think that the thing will going this way:
id open only top end player can be successfull in it
As we get better gear from outside the raid (better planar essence and other) more and more people can access to it. At this point people with less pa will have same stat that people who started id at the beginning and will be able to go to id with very few pa.

The main point is when a new level of raid get out you may want to have a lot of pa to be able to be in the first guild who will clean it. if you aren't in one of those guild the first introducing of better gear after the release of the new tier will put you at the same level of gear high end player was when they first enter in it.

Last point about the possibility to share xp between toons. I mean the possibility to choose the one that recieve the xp. I am not against this idea however how would you solve the problem of people having diferent toons on diferent sever ? how will they share the xp ? (that's not a troll if you have a way to do it well i think it could also solve the issue many people have)
However to don't allow people to use an alt only because it's easyer to grind with a specific calling maybe it should be a king of tax ? For exemple if get 500k xp the toon you are playing get 250k and you get 200k to give to an other one. Just a litlle idea.

[Thorrand]

Whining, I don't think it means what you think it means.

Fixing, I don't think it means what you think it means.

Oh okay. So they're 'improving' a system that's already working as intended? logic escapes you. Yes you're whining. Deal with it.

[Cime]

I like this idea. It falls right in line with many of the past changes Trion has implemented. Normalized valor? Check. XP/Favor/Prestige potions to make lives easier? Check. Overall buff to XP gained from daily dungeons? Check. Buff to PVP daily XP? Check. Trion is all about making our this game easy peasy on any type of grind (although rep grinds still lack an appropriate potion! You're dropping the ball Trion!).

I wouldn't doubt seeing something in the future regarding changes to how PA is allocated across a) main and alts and b) new players. New players are going to be completely SCREWED if certain guilds adhere to minimum PA requirements. "Your PA is only 10,000? Sorry, minimum requirement is 200k. Feel free to reapply after grinding that out though!" As things stand we can convert favor and dungeon plaques for PA. Haven't even bothered looking if planarite can be converted (I don't think so). I imagine it's just a matter of time before we can start BUYING it...but that won't really help new players either.

Hmm, I guess the best course of action is to just socialize PA. Ooo, this is a great idea, really, bear with me! Take the average PA of all players on the server and BOOM, that's the PA for EVERY 50!





Commence rage

[Gray]

Oh okay. So they're 'improving' a system that's already working as intended?

"feel pressured to also gain more PA levels to fill out T3 nodes so they can be seen as "Competitive". This was never our intent with releasing PA T3."


it IS working as intended. the reason they postponed it is because people think they have to "catch up" or spend hours farming PA for tier 3 instead of focusing on ID - and to shut up the incessant whining.

"In addition there are definately further things we can do to improve the system as well as make it so more players can get in striking distance of being able to purchase Tier 3 bonuses when they go live."

key word here is _can_, just the way the _can_ implement rvr when players want it (as they said) or _can_ put a barber in the game like they're saying for month.

also: "make it so more players can get in striking distance of being able to purchase Tier 3 bonuses when they go live"
means: "we let everyone cap tier 2 now so the elitists/whiners STFÜ and once tier 3 hits everybody is on equal footing again"

ofc, they always _can_ change the sytem, but I'd doubt changing tier 3 to fluff only will stop the whining (heck, people already complained that the rewards and upgrades for tier 3 are just the same as before and the rewards are lackluster, I highly doubt making them BETTER will change the perception of people they HAVE to farm it).

so they release it when things have calmed down, most cost and PR effective way. *shrug*

[Anuhart]

Commence rage

Actually you can exchange planarite for PA, how effectively is another thread.
You can also now actually buy planarite with plat, again how effectively is debatable but whether WAI or not, Eternal Puresource are no longer soulbound.

Which leads to the highly unlikely to be viable but yet still possible way to RMT your way to max PA. Food for thought.

It's never been in doubt, from myself, that as time progresses the PA system/XP gains will be adapted to make it easier for those behind to catch up. There are elements of the system that did this from the start anyway as well as the diminishing returns that stats give you as a % upgrade to the stats you have, the more you have.

What is objected too though is the across the board gutting of the system at an early stage, i.e. account wide PA etc.

[Nuxt]

Gosh, yes please.

I used to play my alts just for fun before PA came out. Now my alt has literally zero PA and just isn't worth grinding the PA for it. It's made me stop playing my alt completely.

Account wide PA would be awesome sauce.

[JimboTCB]

Gosh, yes please.

I used to play my alts just for fun before PA came out. Now my alt has literally zero PA and just isn't worth grinding the PA for it. It's made me stop playing my alt completely.

Account wide PA would be awesome sauce.

I dunno, it seems equally pointless playing alts if you get to 50 and instantly get more free stats than the next 2 or 3 tiers of equipment put together would get you. And once you eventually max your account-wide PA, what do you do then? It's just accelerating the point where the whole system becomes meaningless.

[Thorrand]

also: "make it so more players can get in striking distance of being able to purchase Tier 3 bonuses when they go live"
means: "we let everyone cap tier 2 now so the elitists/whiners STFÜ and once tier 3 hits everybody is on equal footing again"

This does not mean they're postponing it so others can catch up. They are making changes so the gap is easier to cross. So no, that is not what that means. Nice try though.

[Thorrand]

it IS working as intended. the reason they postponed it is because people think they have to "catch up" or spend hours farming PA for tier 3 instead of focusing on ID - and to shut up the incessant whining.

I actually think those who are opposing any changes to the system are the ones who want everything handed to them on a platter. As long as you get all your PA's now and to hell with future generations amiright? Let's all bury our head in the sand for instant gratification now as opposed to actually fixing the system so it works in both short and long term.
Let's just go back and reset everyone's PA's and make each level require more exp than the last. Was that so hard?