Cleric Changes?

[Tarthalus]

I won't call names to avoid arguments(but you know who you are)

Some ppl are posting Sicaron DPS as if that's impressive being the fact that he gives you a dps boost(STOP IT PLEASE)

IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE

Warriors do a crap load of dps on ST and AOE bosses (with that 35% aoe dmg from 4pc HK crystal), I usuallly see one in 1st or 2nd on parses from start to finish

Mages(for a looooong time) won't top the charts right away, but steadily climb the places all the way to top 3 when the fight ends....they have exceptional "bounce back" dps with their finishers(some they can spam too)

Rogues...I love ya'll but ya'll do some nice dps too....I will admit I rarely see ya'll top the charts, but most of the time ya'll are barding, but focused rogues sit comfortably top 4 for the most part

Clerics....We have awesome AOE dps which is slowly losing its "leetness' to warriors and stormcallers who are right behind us....if you even mess up once on your rotation, WE WILL DROP FAST

AS FAR CLERIC ST goes....It's not bad at all...AS LONG AS WE sit in the top 5 EARLY in the fight.
If we have to move or get off the target as far as single target, we suffer cause we have weak(IMO...the worst ST) "bounce back" dps...If you don't believe me, I challenge any cleric to get off a target for 5-7 sec, drop some places on the parse...then TRY TO GET BACK TO THAT SPOT....won't happen at all...so some clerics would see good numbers on certain fights and just see crappy numbers on others....our ST"bounce back" dps need some love

This is not a plight or a QQ to any trion employee or dev....Just my honest observations from competing with other classes in HK who are equally geared or very close.

If all the soul get a dps boost and clerics are left behind, I really hope the hard working clerics that geared for dps pieces aren't deemed useless and end up back on the healing block....too much time and energy invested to swap all the gear(of course for the ppl who are not getting marks as fas as others are to get 2+ diff sets of HK gear.)

JUST MY HONEST OPINION....NOT WRITTEN IN STONE

[Laorne]

AS FAR CLERIC ST goes....It's not bad at all...AS LONG AS WE sit in the top 5 EARLY in the fight.
If we have to move or get off the target as far as single target, we suffer cause we have weak(IMO...the worst ST) "bounce back" dps...If you don't believe me, I challenge any cleric to get off a target for 5-7 sec, drop some places on the parse...then TRY TO GET BACK TO THAT SPOT....won't happen at all...so some clerics would see good numbers on certain fights and just see crappy numbers on others....our ST"bounce back" dps need some love

Pretty much this. Clerics lack a dps cd as i've said before. Warriors/rogues have finishers/cds, mages have charge dumps and dps cds. Clerics have a guaranteed crit every 45 sec in Inquis for example ><

We have sustained dmg but the second we have to do anything else we typically drop because we have no way to get back up on top of the other classes.

[Daglar]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

[Eughe]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

Lol so that "druid update" was what we were waiting for?

Hmm.

[AWHavoc]

Pretty much this. Clerics lack a dps cd as i've said before. Warriors/rogues have finishers/cds, mages have charge dumps and dps cds. Clerics have a guaranteed crit every 45 sec in Inquis for example ><

We have sustained dmg but the second we have to do anything else we typically drop because we have no way to get back up on top of the other classes.

As a mage I love 38/28 because it's sustained damage, heatwave sucks...

Spikey damage isn't fun, and can cause issues on fights like Rune King.

Also, I'm pretttty sure 38/28 is still the best ST mage spec, and you aren't putting Firestorm in that.. so... stop making **** up? 36/30 isn't bad.. but to claim it's the best... that's just wrong.

[Paaam]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

I'm sad to read this
Can't believe it's not possible to see how wrong shaman is atm

[Alyvian]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

poor druids/justicars/shamans to an extend still dumpster tier, glad i rerolled after the horrid that was the previous tank balance patch.

[The Witchking]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

Come on Clerics, let's all sit back in our corner. Although, this "Inquisitor DPS" neon light that has kept us illuminated is flickering a little.. I wonder if we can get it fixed so it's as bright as the other classes! It's only about 15% duller than the others right now. So close!

[Undrsiege]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

Can we please get some attention to not having a heal debuff except 44 points deep in a terrible soul which doesn't allow any real synergy with other souls due to the high cost. You want all callings to be somewhat equal but every other calling has heal debuffs below 22 points... Why is it so gamebreaking to not try and give clerics a little love here... Why not move it from 44 points down to a level accessible to other builds without having to waste 44 points for a huge pvp needed ability.. I would wager to say clerics would even be satisfied with a copy of rogues anathema placed in the pvp pa tree replacing the new damage stacking ability that was changed from a buff strip.. Help us out here.... Zinbik will not even comment on this desparity after numerous posts.....

Discuss....

[Draougho]

Trion devs must be blind, either that or they don't even play the shaman tree because they realise inq is superiour on every other fight, even stand still fights due to brutalize RNG.

[Anyasha]

No additional cleric dps changes planned for 1.8 at this time.

~Daglar
Lead Game Designer: Rift

So Clerics being currently about 20% behind all 3 other callings and then even further behind after the Warrior and Mage changes in 1.8 is intended DPS balancing?

I guess we still have -icar for the like 2 fights that require some additional raid heals. yay...

[Redcruxs]

so many whiners in this thread...

we need some cheese with all this whine, or hell how abut a pacifier?


cleric dps is not 20% behind the other classes or even 15%, at most i'd say we're 5-10% behind the other classes. you just have to know what spec to use for each fight and how to properly stat your gear. i don't even have ANY HK relic pieces on my dps gear (main spec is tank) and i am close to the top parse in any fights that i dps in.

i'd say that cleric dps is perfect right now, not too high, not too low, and a very wide range of spec's for versatility.

poor druids/justicars/shamans to an extend still dumpster tier, glad i rerolled after the horrid that was the previous tank balance patch.

and this just made me lol... have you even read the patch notes for clerics since you rerolled? shaman does better dps than inq now (for some fights). druids do similar to inq dps on the PTS server. and justicars are very very close to warriors in average mitigation on the PTS which isn't even accounting for the 10% increased heals we receive


overall i'd say clerics are in a REALLY good spot going into ID. pretty much perfectly balanced imo.

[Laorne]

yeah clerics are def. not 20% behind. My issue however is warriors are getting buffed to rogue lvl dmg(melee) which is currently 300-400dps in front of the next closest atm. I do not like how Trion buffs one class per patch without regard for what other classes are doing esp. with a new tier of content on the horizon. They seem to wait until there is so much disparity between classes and people complain then do something about it rather than making minor adjustments per patch to avoid this.

[Eughe]

druids do similar to inq dps on the PTS server..

On dummies. They used to do more than shaman and inq however.

Take it how you want, but druid is a sad sack.

[paper]

Wondo in our guild is doing 4k murdantix parses without abyssal mark of power. Our best rogues and mages are doing 4.1k.

YMMV.