AMD (ATI) 69xx cards & CrossfireX Performance Improvement Request (+Triple Buffering)

[Violacea]

The issue could be on their end with the overall performance, but if the problem was on their end wouldn't Nvidia and ATI cards both suck? I know it's not the most crowded meridian but, 20+ models counted on this screen in the main area. Still the same full settings on my system with a single gtx570. (fps hovered over)

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/r...-21_115028.jpg

[jerwel]

The issue could be on their end with the overall performance, but if the problem was on their end wouldn't Nvidia and ATI cards both suck? I know it's not the most crowded meridian but, 20+ models counted on this screen in the main area. Still the same full settings on my system with a single gtx570. (fps hovered over)

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/r...-21_115028.jpg

Engines effect different cards differently. Engines nearly always need to be tuned for both card types and different games will perform differently on different manufactures cards even if they have the same statistics due to programing.

[Violacea]

I said what you did, but in a rhetorical way. Point I was trying to make.

[Dexter_]

Still nothing, huh?

Played some upcoming MMO and I get 80 fps with everything maxed out, DX11, tessellation, and about 5 time better graphics. In Rift my fps on the same config drops to around 30, medium settings.

Still no dev reply or any progress? Really?

What about triple buffering then?

[wcooper0077]

core i7 2600k at 4.8 ghz overclocked with water cooling 1600 mhz memory running at 9/9/9/24 with two intel 510 ssd's running in raid 0 and a radeon 7970 3gb ddr5 and i am lucky if i get 30 fps at max settings and whats funny is i can change all the setting around and nothing changes which tells me its poor programing and the fact that they dont care is very upsetting

[Mirimon]

it is.. the game is sponsored by, and developed with NVIDIA.. why would they help sell ATI garbage??


z77 asus mobo, just swapped out a 3960x for the 3770k for a bit to see how it fairs.. atm the 3960x was much more powerful, so, 3770k@4.8ghz (almost fried this proc, got to use X.M.P. when clocking, or the bios will default some odd proc rates like 5.2ghz!!), 32 gigs ram@2400 mhz 9-9-9-24 cas latency, dual gtx690's in quad sli, antec skeleton case (fast and easy component swapping, its almost like playing from a bench) 70" sony 900 series bravia monitor (wish rift had a native 3D.)

cant wait for the 8 core ivy to release.. sigh. but really, with nvidia set up everything on max i seldom dip below 115 fps.. I know for a fact you can run this on max using core 2 duo, 4gigs of ram, and a gtx 260 and not go bellow 40fps in meridian. Which, still looks damn good, as rift is still smooth and playable as low as 6fps, unlike many games that if its lower than 30fps you might as well log out.

[mo0trix]

it is.. the game is sponsored by, and developed with NVIDIA.. why would they help sell ATI garbage??


z77 asus mobo, just swapped out a 3960x for the 3770k for a bit to see how it fairs.. atm the 3960x was much more powerful, so, 3770k@4.8ghz (almost fried this proc, got to use X.M.P. when clocking, or the bios will default some odd proc rates like 5.2ghz!!), 32 gigs ram@2400 mhz 9-9-9-24 cas latency, dual gtx690's in quad sli, antec skeleton case (fast and easy component swapping, its almost like playing from a bench) 70" sony 900 series bravia monitor (wish rift had a native 3D.)

cant wait for the 8 core ivy to release.. sigh. but really, with nvidia set up everything on max i seldom dip below 115 fps.. I know for a fact you can run this on max using core 2 duo, 4gigs of ram, and a gtx 260 and not go bellow 40fps in meridian. Which, still looks damn good, as rift is still smooth and playable as low as 6fps, unlike many games that if its lower than 30fps you might as well log out.

A very nice completely fanboyish post of your towards nvidia there.

Was anything in your post even remotely helpful to anyone?

Anyhoo, i'll add my 2 cents.

i7 920 @ 4.2Ghz
Radeon 6970
12GB RAM (1600mhz DDR3)
Nothing special hard drive, 7200RPM 6Gbp/s transfer rate


Run all the latest game on high or extreme settings... have to settle for medium in Rift. Highest settings I get <15 FPS (I can't imagine how low that would go in a raid) which is pretty poor and considering games that are in comparison *similar* in regards to what's going on, on screen and also as pretty (let's say GW2) poses no such issue.. i'd say it's a safe bet that the graphics engine Rift uses just plain sucks.

[Violacea]

cant wait for the 8 core ivy to release.. sigh. but really, with nvidia set up everything on max i seldom dip below 115 fps.. I know for a fact you can run this on max using core 2 duo, 4gigs of ram, and a gtx 260 and not go bellow 40fps in meridian. Which, still looks damn good, as rift is still smooth and playable as low as 6fps, unlike many games that if its lower than 30fps you might as well log out.

No, you can't. Unless you have a different idea of what "max" is or you play at 1024x768 still. You pretty much named by system piece for piece of what I had before this. Core 2 duo (3.0ghz E6850), 4gig ram and upgraded my 8800 to a gtx 570. I practically upgraded from the system you listed to one indefinitely more powerful in all aspects while maintaining same company brands (nvidia/intel). Right now on damn near max settings (rendering distance taken down 1 notch and no floral clutter) and getting 40+ fps in meridian is reliant on people in it. If it's one of those nights where you put on your player radar and you move around and just see clumps up 50 green dots vanish and reappear at a time. That still drops me below 30. But if I log into meridian at 4:38 am yeah, plenty of times I see FPS anywhere from 40 - 50+ in meridian. This is why the game needs a test to standardize FPS claims. On briarcliff the population was terrible and 40 - 60fps in meridian was common. Seastone's meridian is a whole new story.

Rift is playable at 6fps yes, but it is not smooth. I have no idea what your definition of smooth is. smoothness increases all the way up to 50 - 60fps range if you have a strong sense for those details.

I also don't know how you say "with nvidia setup". You are comparing a double of some of the most powerful video cards on the market with a very high end cpu. You are touting a system where the video cards nearly cost what some peoples budget is. It's great your rig runs the game fast but you are either boasting or somewhat clueless to how good your system is. I would be worried if there is any game on the market that rig couldn't run at max fps and beyond. You certainly put in the money for it to do such. But you show you have little knowledge on this cpu stuff. Nobody overclocks with default bios settings. Because bios is stupid and will give you dumb voltages and unwanted clock speeds sometimes. That is how you screw up chips. Scary you have such nice hardware and seemingly little clue about it. I don't know - absurd claims, misinformation, reality checks, this post was mine before it was made.

[wcooper0077]

it is.. the game is sponsored by, and developed with NVIDIA.. why would they help sell ATI garbage??


z77 asus mobo, just swapped out a 3960x for the 3770k for a bit to see how it fairs.. atm the 3960x was much more powerful, so, 3770k@4.8ghz (almost fried this proc, got to use X.M.P. when clocking, or the bios will default some odd proc rates like 5.2ghz!!), 32 gigs ram@2400 mhz 9-9-9-24 cas latency, dual gtx690's in quad sli, antec skeleton case (fast and easy component swapping, its almost like playing from a bench) 70" sony 900 series bravia monitor (wish rift had a native 3D.)

cant wait for the 8 core ivy to release.. sigh. but really, with nvidia set up everything on max i seldom dip below 115 fps.. I know for a fact you can run this on max using core 2 duo, 4gigs of ram, and a gtx 260 and not go bellow 40fps in meridian. Which, still looks damn good, as rift is still smooth and playable as low as 6fps, unlike many games that if its lower than 30fps you might as well log out.

Do Me a favor and stop posting your an ignorant fool who bought more computer than you need and no nothing about computers so just shut up

[Sithian]

Hi all,

After reading through 14 pages of **** measuring competitions and only a few posts being useful for my problem, I thought i'd reply with some hope for the 'terrible' AMD users!

I'm running

AMD Phenom II 1090T @ 4200mhz
2x AMD Radeon HD 6970 cards @ 1006mhz
8gig Corsair

and other bits!

I'm happy to say that i'm sitting in Meridian, with past ultra and with all the settings slid to the max around 40fps which is playable! Outside of Merdian and other areas around 47-57fps and in their vast open space around 80fps+

As much as I don't want to agree with someone who suggests that everyone should buy a rig costing over £2000+ Mirimon has said Rift is Nvidia's little ***** when it comes to graphics etc! Just like AMD loves to spank Nvidia's arse on Swtor and other games! This will always be the way and it's pointless arguing over who sponsers gaming companies the most!

However Nvidia and Intel are bloody lovely yes! But that comes with a price tag ;) and the fact that a 'nasty' cheap Radeon can be clocked to out perform a 580 ;) well I saved myself £200 on buying a graphics card and around £90 on buying a CPU

AMD will always be a lovely little chip for easy overclocking and getting fantastic value for money!

And I now await the mountain full of abuse ;)

[Sithian]

I know for a fact you can run this on max using core 2 duo, 4gigs of ram, and a gtx 260 and not go bellow 40fps in meridian. Which, still looks damn good, as rift is still smooth and playable as low as 6fps, unlike many games that if its lower than 30fps you might as well log out.

I also know for a fact this quote is the biggest load of pish ever as my last system was an intel with a GTX460 and she choked to **** on max in Rift ;)

[Mirimon]

hm.. suppose i am the only one able to run it like that before the 3770k released?? ( was a core 2duo@3.33, 4 gigs Ballistix ram, gtx 260, 70" display at 1920x1080p on max.. no issues then.. and def none now (just higher fps)...

as far as rift not being geared for, and sponsored/developed with/by NVIDIA, i think you might wanna start using google more often and do the research on Trion and its titles..

[Tekkaman]

hm.. suppose i am the only one able to run it like that before the 3770k released?? ( was a core 2duo@3.33, 4 gigs Ballistix ram, gtx 260, 70" display at 1920x1080p on max.. no issues then.. and def none now (just higher fps)...

as far as rift not being geared for, and sponsored/developed with/by NVIDIA, i think you might wanna start using google more often and do the research on Trion and its titles..

Peen all you want, but unfortunately the 70" display is irrelevant to the discussion. I'm happy you enjoy your 70. My best friend loves his two 84's even though running such low resolutions on such large screens is a terrible sight to see.

I have a few rigs that are used to play RIFT and other games:

i5 2500k
8GB
RAID-0 Intel 520 SSDs
HD6970


Q6600
4GB
Standard mechanical
GTX 450


i7 3930k
16GB
RAID-0 Intel 520 SSDs
GTX 680



Wanna know the FPS difference between them all? About 5 in Sanctum. OCs have not helped. Running through ~5 revisions of drivers have not helped. Fresh installs/formats have not helped. Config tweaks and lowering the resolution/Low Renderer has not helped. The list goes on and on. They were all tested on U2410M's (1920x1200) so it's close enough to the standard 1920x1080 that most people run these days.

Originally the i5 system ran RIFT @ 50-70 FPS no matter where I was. A patch here and there ended up dropping my FPS by half and the other systems equally affected.

Every other game? Oh, you know, 60+ FPS with absolutely no stutter or hitch. Every. Other. Game.

Looks like the computers are the issue despite knowing exactly what caused the FPS drop <--- HINT: Nothing changed on the computer(s)

[Malark]

I think Rift generally runs fine on AMD Radeon cards, the main point of this thread seems to be about issues relating to crossfire (using more than 1 AMD card at a time).

I've played Rift with a AMD 6950 the game ran fine on anything between medium and high. I now have an Nvidia GTX670 and it's a newer card and so I can get a higher framerate with higher settings, but it's not like there's some massive massive difference in framerate just because I switched brands.

MMOs are generally going to run a little slower than a standard fps game, there's just more going on at a time sometimes.

[chopp3r]

I've got a multi-GPU set-up with two AMD Radeon 7900 series cards hooked up in CrossfireX mode. When playing RIFT, with the Video settings turned right up, I would have expected the processing to be shared between the two GPUs, but to my surprise RIFT only ever utilizes the one GPU. The GPU1 utlilization hovers around 80-90% while GPU2 sits at a constant 0%.

I'm not sure why this is, as when I'm playing FPS games like Borderlands 2 for example, both GPUs get a work-out with the video processing being shared between the two GPUs.

Is this something that AMD need to write better CrossfireX profiles for or is it that the Trion development team aren't yet taking advantage of multi-GPU processing capabilities with RIFT's graphics code?