RIFT: Year Two State of the Game (part Two of Two)

[Misun]

Can we get a heads up on what is being planned for PVP?

I seem to recall *someone* saying that

players are the most dangerous game.

It would be really nice if we got some insight into the plans for pvp...not just vague hints.

A lot of us have been hanging in for 2 years, hoping it will get better.

[John Blaze]

WHY would they put effort into developing PVP content of that caliber when pvp is obviously unpopular in Rift? You have noticed that there is only ONE US pvp shard left, right?
This is an overwhelmingly pve game and always has been, thank Heavens.

Because it's still part of the game and a valid way to enjoy RIFT? Seriously, as much as I resent entitled rants that can come from PvPers, they're still invested like the rest of us.

[Lords0fpain]

Because it's still part of the game and a valid way to enjoy RIFT? Seriously, as much as I resent entitled rants that can come from PvPers, they're still invested like the rest of us.

Thanks for acknowledging PvP pays subs, too. Plus, trion did in fact advertise their game on pvp, as well as pve

To who you quoted, the vast majority of pvpers have been run out of the game. Though the reason may vary, that was a huge subscription base (for those concerned about less devs, there you go).

Trion's potential to have locked up both aspects, where not seen or choose to cater to raiders. Even, on a pve server, it seems pretty unpopulated. Watch what you say, as it would not surprise me, if pve servers get consolidated....again...as well.

[rosenoire]

I'm kind of disappointed, not because I wanted specifics, but because of the opposite. I expect a "State of the $ENTITY" to briefly touch on the past year, and then to talk about the big picture going forward.

For example, now that the dragons are dead in Telara, is the focus going to shift to the planes? Is there another global threat in the works? What does the future hold for the factions, especially now that we know Defiants and Guardians can work together? Are we going to meet new races?

It's nice to know that there are updates planned, and that Tier 3 PA and the Dendrome are coming. But especially with new leadership, I kind of want to hear more about the overall direction of the game.

[Methadras]

So because i enjoy playing Rift and am mostly happy with letting the Devs decide on how they want their game to progress i'm a fanboi? well let me wear my fanboi crown and dance a jig for you because yes, i have no issue saying i like Rift and am happy to throw them my sub.

Am i totally happy? of course not, there's a few things i'm not happy with or don't like certain paths they chose to go or implement. Do i rush onto the Forum writing a thesis on why i don't like it and demand they change X, Y and Z or i'm cancelling my sub? No, but i'm sure you and I can list the usual suspects who've been constantly threatening that for nearly two years now

It's Trion's game, i'm sure they have a rough outline of where to go and what each Update will add or contain, who's to say opening the Infinity Gate isn't on some board somewhere and penciled in for Update 2.6 ? We know they listen to feedback and past experience has shown if an idea is good enough or popular they have no issues throwing it in the game, likewise if something that looked good on paper but bombed on Live, it was taken out.

Doesn't stop some people from demanding on the Forum that Trion do this, do that, i'm a paying customer etc...I'm sure these same people are the ones who'd sit at a Spielberg film and think they could have done Schindler's List or Lincoln better.

I believe an MMO is, over time, a collaborative effort. Clearly the vast majority of content is developer produced, but it's the paying subs that get to enjoy it and should have a voice in that content on whether it's legitimate, good, bad, or needs to be tweaked. I dare say, that in certain regards, if the devs don't get content right at all, it will simply piss off the sub base and drive them away. I wouldn't advocate customer input into how trion does it's job, but it would be nice to know how much input their customers actually have in driving content to the rest of us.

[Methadras]

it hasnt change.Devs are very communicative still.Lost of daily updates for classes and bug fixes and whats coming on.
Sure the letter could be more specific on some things but the only thing am really dissapointed about is CQ maps, no update for 2.2 yet. Maybe at 2.3 or 2.4 who know It will be nice to know if they are still on development or they abandoned this plan

Which devs? Atrius when he was the warrior dev was about as communicative as Helen Keller until his work showed what kind of developer he really was for the warrior community. Ailon (sp?) so far has said 1 or maybe 2 things since he's taken over Atrius' position.

[the_real_seebs]

Are they ?

The Cleric lead just disappeared, not a word to the playerbase about this, its just like the guy didnt exist.

There were several threads covering the layoffs. Zinbik was apparently among those laid off; Kervik is now the blue-bar dev.

[Charlice]

WHY would they put effort into developing PVP content of that caliber when pvp is obviously unpopular in Rift? You have noticed that there is only ONE US pvp shard left, right?
This is an overwhelmingly pve game and always has been, thank Heavens.

Why on earth would you say it's unpopular?

What an incredibly odd thing to say as a Rift Community Ambassador. You may not choose to PvP but tbh it's not all about you.

I guess you did realise you can PvP on any shard right?

[Synovia]

Why on earth would you say it's unpopular?

What an incredibly odd thing to say as a Rift Community Ambassador. You may not choose to PvP but tbh it's not all about you.

I guess you did realise you can PvP on any shard right?

He/she said that PvP is unpopular in Rift because PvP is unpopular in Rift. You can believe whatever you like all the evidence points to the fact that Rift PvP is in a dire state.

[Kabliga]

Orly?

Is that why the pvp forum is the most active and has the most posts out of any forum on this site?

There are still a LOT of pvpers here (even though many have left)

so, if forumite are only 10% of the playerbase and you say the pvp forum is the most active and has the most posts, obviously this means that the game MUST have more pvp players than pve, right? it couldnt be that pvp players complain about everything and decide to make a new thread over every single patch and how it nerfs their precious build? nah, cant be that, pvp'ers are the most constructive poster out there

[Credo]

He/she said that PvP is unpopular in Rift because PvP is unpopular in Rift. You can believe whatever you like all the evidence points to the fact that Rift PvP is in a dire state.

When did opinions become facts?

[Kabliga]

Why on earth would you say it's unpopular?

What an incredibly odd thing to say as a Rift Community Ambassador. You may not choose to PvP but tbh it's not all about you.

I guess you did realise you can PvP on any shard right?

mael said it was unpopular, b/c the amount of players on pvp shard died off drastically. they went from having several shard full of people (like 6 wasnt it?) to just one and while the pve shards had losses they still have multiple shards full of people.......

[Kabliga]

When did opinions become facts?

they never are, but when facts like the fact that almost all the pvp shards have died, that says that pvp is likely unpopular, as a popular method of play would have more shards

[arus2001]

I'm more apt to say PvP in the form it tends to take in MMOs in unpopular and Rift hasn't really deviated from that formula (Consider 1 PvP server at present). And given the competitive nature of those who do partake, they can be assuredly vocal to get their point across. The PvP sub-forum being the most active ultimately tells me nothing for those reasons. Even if their post count beat all other Rift sub-forums combined, it still isn't indicative of a majority.

That said, they should get their fixes as long as Trion insists on making it a game feature. Mind you, what should be fixed will forever be up for debate to earlier mentioned competitive natures, but some things are at least glaringly obvious like ranged superiority. Though, that's also a problem pretty much every game faces.

[Misun]

so, if forumite are only 10% of the playerbase and you say the pvp forum is the most active and has the most posts, obviously this means that the game MUST have more pvp players than pve, right? it couldnt be that pvp players complain about everything and decide to make a new thread over every single patch and how it nerfs their precious build? nah, cant be that, pvp'ers are the most constructive poster out there

Where do you get that forum posters are 10% of the playerbase? Can you share your source?

PVPers complain about everything? Orly?

Hmmm....looks like there's lots of complaints on the general forum..including people complaining about there not being anymore fall damage

Most people who PVP are competitive people. If something is out of whack, they are going to give their opinions about it.

Sort of like how people do on the general forum!