PvP Gear Improvements – Now with a touch of Vengeance!

[Elrar]

They say Vengeance is a dish best served cold – but we felt that improving your experience in PvP was worthy of a Hot Fix. So with the next patch we are improving the way Valor is used and introducing a new PvP stat called “Vengeance."

Before we get into “What is Vengeance?” and the Valor changes involved, it’s easiest to understand after explaining why we are making changes to PvP Gear.

Ensuring PvP Gear is the Best Gear for PvP

Through your feedback and watching the introduction of the new Prestige Ranks closely - it became clear that there was some concern about PvP Gear’s effectiveness outside of PvP when combined with the new Synergy Crystals. Just as the gear you may have obtained from Expert Dungeons or Raiding allows you to prepare for the next level of content in PvE so too should PvP Gear make you more effective in PvP.

We’re absolutely fine when the two overlap – and think it’s a great way to encourage you to participate in all types of content without feeling too much at a disadvantage due to spending your time playing one part of the game over the other.

Our concern is when one becomes the best-in-slot for the other. We have worked to address these concerns now and for the future.

These changes also work in tandem with another goal – ensuring players entering PvP have an enjoyable experience while still rewarding those who have earned the highest ranks.

While we have heard and understand your suggestions to simply “split up the warfront queues into separate tiers based on rank” – in the end this suggestion would actually make the experience worse for everyone and would not scale nicely over time.

Instead, we’re front-loading more Valor via the changes below and in time will also introduce Valor augments, allowing crafters to make their creations PvP gear and making Valor considerably more available.

Changes to Valor

With this Hot Fix you will find that all 4 PvP sets will share the same amount of total valor. This means that the set earned in Ranks 1 & 2 has the same amount of valor as provided by the set earned over Ranks 7 & 8. How much? It works out to 751 Valor, or a 30.04% Damage Reduction. Instead of being differentiated by survivability, they will be differentiated by their main stats.

In addition – we’re making some changes to the Revered trinkets earned from the Eldritch Seekers (Defiant) and The Unspoken (Guardian) PvP Merchants. You can expect their power to be brought in line with Raid Rift loot while their offensive bonus granted on use has been split with 50% being converted to Vengeance. They’ll still have a PvE use, but remain primarily PvP loot.

What is Vengeance?

Vengeance is a new PvP stat that provides an Attack Power or Spell Power bonus to abilities used while engaged in PvP. Basically, 1 point of Vengeance = 1 point of Attack/Spell Power vs. players.

We’re introducing Vengeance initially through the above mentioned changes to the PvP Faction trinkets in addition to changing Attack Power or Spell Power bonuses provided by the 4 piece set bonus granted through the PvP Synergy Crystals. Essentially, half of the bonus will be converted into Vengeance – for example: If the synergy bonus granted 150 Attack Power it will now grant 75 Attack Power and 75 Vengeance.

We want to see how this new stat works without making broad changes and your feedback is an important part of the process!

PTS Test Tomorrow – 08/31 @ 2:00PM PDT

We want to ensure we’re on the right path and give you a sneak preview at the new changes on PTS before they go live in the next Hot Fix. Your feedback is always vital and we invite anyone interested in PvP to join us!

And before you ask – we know some of you may have spent the bonus-filled weekend earning PvP gear to use in PvE content. While we hope you enjoyed your experience you may be excited to know the bonuses we have turned on for the Half Birthday will be extended to allow all subscribers to enjoy them for a few days longer, especially those impacted by the storm over the weekend.

We know this might be a bit much to wrap your head around and encourage you to share any questions you might have below – thanks for playing!

Please continue the discussion in this thread:
http://forums.riftgame.com/official-...row-9-1-a.html

[laughingskull]

im not sure i like the changes to valor, but i agree with the other changes.

i feel there should be a slight difference with valor as you go up in ranks. doing this seems to make valor kinda pointless.

it will be interesting to see how this does on the test tomorrow and when it goes live.

[Nibi]

i feel there should be a slight difference with valor as you go up in ranks. doing this seems to make valor kinda pointless.

same, why even have the stat then? just give everyone 30% reduction starting at level 50


edit:

the Vengeance stat idea though is great! really

[Fahmine]

Why have Valor as an equipment stat if you're going to equalize it? Make it a character stat or just drop it altogether.

trying to digest the rest...


pfff late... but I agree

[Willovain]

Is vengeance going to become a base stat on PvP gear now? Or is it going to just be on trinkets and synergy crystals? If it's the latter, I'm okay with that.

I also fear how this might imbalance the recent healing changes. Going to be a lot easier to heal if people are all taking a flat 30% less damage...

[TheMakaio]

If it was just given at level 50, then people in full HK gear would be unstoppable, there has to be a gap inbetween pvp and pve gear still. This makes pvp gear best for pvp, and pve gear best for pve. It's not hard to understand.

+1 Trion

[Madcroc]

Well it seemed like you just nerfed pvp gear in pve, not buffing raid gear.
I like the valor changes though. Smart move. Now lower ranks wont get eaten.
But it might work.

[Draidiard]

Lots of QQ by the fresh 50's who want all the gear the second they hit 50. Way to cater to the noobs crying Trion! Next you will give vengeance out to the Rank 1 and 2's because they get hit to hard.

[laughingskull]

just give everyone 30% reduction starting at level 50

i dont think they should do this. you should have to work for the valor to start as you need pvp armor for the valor. just giving people free 30% reduction is a no no.

[laughingskull]

Lots of QQ by the fresh 50's who want all the gear the second they hit 50. Way to cater to the noobs crying Trion! Next you will give vengeance out to the Rank 1 and 2's because they get hit to hard.

i think this is more of a balance to try and prevent the pvp gear from being used in pve. they are cutting stats basically in half for pve while keeping it the same in pvp via vengence

[Joji]

If it was just given at level 50, then people in full HK gear would be unstoppable, there has to be a gap inbetween pvp and pve gear still. This makes pvp gear best for pvp, and pve gear best for pve. It's not hard to understand.

+1 Trion

What you said is totally right. The goal of these changes are understantable. The PVP sets are not the only items that you can get with Valor. We have trinkets, necks, essenses and runes that add to that stat. The ones who play more, will get them faster and what is more, Rank 8 players will do way more damage than the ones that are Rank 2-4. There is still a difference, but it's totally the right direction to go. I like the Vengeance addition as well.

+1 Trion from me too :>

[DemonicalConvicted]

so now the pve´s wo have now spent quite alot of time grinding for hte pvp gear is useless.... instead o just introducing Synenergy crystals for the raid gear you basicly tell me i just wasted several days of my life doing pvp wich is utterly boring for nothing now... and realy? now we have less valor but Warriors will still have p8 weapon with huge *** DPS so tehyll be able to tear through you in pvp even easier now

[Iceking]

Stupidest thing I Ever heard. Give everyone the the same valor, if they been pvping for 2 weeks or 6 months. That's like giving people who do Greenscale the same gear as people who do HK, whats the point of even doing any of it then. You need to see some growth. Who cares about the stats, the part of it is that you become harder to kill too.

I Can see lots of people quitting, and already heard lots of people upset about it. Knew the nerf was coming to the crystals and all, and prob is good But I Would have preferred a buff to the PVE crystals instead, cause most of them are just horribad.

If this does go live, and stay I Can see lots of people being very upset. Why even have valor as a stat then if any1 can get the same amount in less than a week. Just take it off, it is completely pointless.

And and to all of us who grinded Rank 8, we got screwed too.

[Hankers]

Add PvE crystals to the tier 1 raid set with this hotfix then.
otherwise NO

[Toothsome]

no, valor should not be a character stat.. cuz that means PVERS will have the best gear, we don't want that now do we, so all of u shush.


it should still stick 2 armor



also all u whiners stop, it still makes rank 8 gear better then rank 1


just makes it so the rank 1s dont get melted 2 easily, trion is goin the right way with this.. u guys are being even more babies then before... AGAIN


+1 trion