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    Hey there

    Recently i fiddled around with the talent tree. Therefor, i tried combining Defiler with Inquisitor. It does work, but the Rotation is a pain in the a..e and there is a rapid dps loss due to massive gcd issues and offset cooldowns. Well, however, i would like to suggest some changes to make Cleric great again. I do not dare to ask for 1 Second Global Cooldown, but i have some other Changes to suggest.

    Bond of Pain
    - Reduce Cooldown to 30 seconds

    Furious Might
    - Increase Damage done by 25% for 15 seconds
    - Gain 5 Stacks of Rage

    Greeds Corruption
    - Increase Dot length to 24 Seconds

    Marrow Harvest
    - Count as a Rage Effect
    - Gain 1 Stack of Rage

    Link of Misery
    - This will kill you in raids... Reduce the Amount of damage by the following ability (go on reading)

    Scarred Heart
    - Reduces Damage taken from your Greed Spells by 20/40/60% and reduces linked Damage from Link of Misery by additional 5/10/15%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mylneria View Post
    Hey there

    Recently i fiddled around with the talent tree. Therefor, i tried combining Defiler with Inquisitor. It does work, but the Rotation is a pain in the a..e and there is a rapid dps loss due to massive gcd issues and offset cooldowns. Well, however, i would like to suggest some changes to make Cleric great again. I do not dare to ask for 1 Second Global Cooldown, but i have some other Changes to suggest.

    Bond of Pain
    - Reduce Cooldown to 30 seconds

    Furious Might
    - Increase Damage done by 25% for 15 seconds
    - Gain 5 Stacks of Rage

    Greeds Corruption
    - Increase Dot length to 24 Seconds

    Marrow Harvest
    - Count as a Rage Effect
    - Gain 1 Stack of Rage

    Link of Misery
    - This will kill you in raids... Reduce the Amount of damage by the following ability (go on reading)

    Scarred Heart
    - Reduces Damage taken from your Greed Spells by 20/40/60% and reduces linked Damage from Link of Misery by additional 5/10/15%


    Cheers

    Thank you for all the suggestions! I'll show the team for sure! 😄

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    Default Experimental Build

    40 Defiler
    36 Inquisitor
    0 Druid

    Quick definetly not perfect parse:
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    Scientific Progress goes "BOINK"

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    I posted 3 bugs Defiler has on the bugs section of the forums that are relevant to this thread, I think.

    I have a few suggestions that I feel would make Defiler playable after having messed around with 61 Defiler for more time than is probably healthy:

    1) Explosive Rage - give it a chance per rage effect (i was thinking 10%, up to 40%, to stay in line) on target to refresh all active rage spells on that target. This takes out a HUGE amount of burden from the cleric, as 4 of those DoTs run on 3 different timers and Defiler desperately needs some kind of refresh mechanic. Each rage DoT will have a chance on refresh to instantly grant Rage stacks, since that's just the way it works right now.

    2) Bond of Pain - Reduce the CD to 30s.

    3) Aggressive Avarice - give it a chance to refresh Greed's Corruption. Greed's Corruption is otherwise a dead spell. If you give it a chance to be refreshed, it could be less dead. Miserly Affliction doesn't need a refresh mechanic because you cast it if nothing else needs casting.

    4) Link of Misery - Make it a Brother in Arms (Warlord) clone. 1hr buff and all that.

    5) Legendary Unstable Transformation - Increase duration to 15 seconds.

    6) Scarred Heart (talent) - Reduce damage taken from Greed spells by 33%/66%/100%. Please for all that is good, remove self damage from Defiler. It does more DPS to itself in PvP than to other players, and It's a meaningless mechanic in PvE that only serves to punish hybrid options.

    7) Legendary Pain Transmission - oGCD. This gives it a much smoother use, as it's meant to be used as a "rage greed's call".

    8) Marrow Harvest - oGCD - 6s CD. This just makes it smoother to use and an actual spell outside refreshing the +5% non-phys damage debuff.

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    How about making Defiler theme so that he embraces the death in everyone and enhances it to cheat said death.
    Also a bond system that lets the defiler use theyr allies as minions for his own reasons would work out.
    A gobbo spell to transmog allies and can troll dismount them woult be the cherry ontop.

    :Kappa: :Keppo:

    The sacrifice-life-for-damage theme would be more fun in melee as the mad flesh doc goes to town.
    Pain Transmission was cool once and became a pretty boring 41 ability. Having the Links explode it was brilliant.
    Warchanter took alot of mechanics from Defiler. Defiler surely needs the puppetmaster theme back. Atm it's on a Leto-Joker level. Rage&Greed

    The SL Defiler would be a play to make melee pvp enjoyable.

    -> The Defiler Has one 10% link and another 3 links without % (Working Like Nature's Blessing) which makes Pain Transmission tick through them and can procc a simple hot in return.

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    All neato ideas! I'll document them for the team to look at!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taerentym View Post
    All neato ideas! I'll document them for the team to look at!
    A few more ideas to consider

    rage extraction "explodes" cleaving nearby targets every time a greed effect damages the target (similar to hellfire blades) or has a 40% chance per tick targets damaged in this manner take 30% of damage now has a 24 sec cd

    beacon of despair now taunts any enemy that hits the cleric with single target attacks, beacon is healed for 15% of heals received on cleric from another player, beacon of despair now also receives husk of indifference if known (50% reduction)

    Husk of indifference/scarred heart now also reduce defiler gcd by .1/.3/.5 also has a 5/10/15% chance to proc bond of pain if known when struck

    somatic desecration creates a ground field causing enemies that enter the field to cause 5% less damage and take 5% more damage targets weaken by Somatic desecration cause all defiler dots to tick twice as often (scales based on your stacks of rage) and to heal the cleric for 5-10% of damage (scales based on stacks of greed).

    instant cast legendary Aggressive Avarice/explsoive rage are now ogcd

    bond of torment heals for 5% of player health

    bond of corruption has a chance to apply all known bond effects when struck in combat last 30 sec 1/min cd

    pain transmission applies all known rage and greed effects up to 5 targets within 7m of target.

    casting greed effects in pvp no longer causes damage to cleric, or has damage properly reduced to reflect pvp damage effect (98% reduction or so)
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefy1212 View Post
    A few more ideas to consider

    rage extraction "explodes" cleaving nearby targets every time a greed effect damages the target (similar to hellfire blades) or has a 40% chance per tick targets damaged in this manner take 30% of damage now has a 24 sec cd

    beacon of despair now taunts any enemy that hits the cleric with single target attacks, beacon is healed for 15% of heals received on cleric from another player, beacon of despair now also receives husk of indifference if known (50% reduction)

    Husk of indifference/scarred heart now also reduce defiler gcd by .1/.3/.5 also has a 5/10/15% chance to proc bond of pain if known when struck

    somatic desecration creates a ground field causing enemies that enter the field to cause 5% less damage and take 5% more damage targets weaken by Somatic desecration cause all defiler dots to tick twice as often (scales based on your stacks of rage) and to heal the cleric for 5-10% of damage (scales based on stacks of greed).

    instant cast legendary Aggressive Avarice/explsoive rage are now ogcd

    bond of torment heals for 5% of player health

    bond of corruption has a chance to apply all known bond effects when struck in combat last 30 sec 1/min cd

    pain transmission applies all known rage and greed effects up to 5 targets within 7m of target.

    casting greed effects in pvp no longer causes damage to cleric, or has damage properly reduced to reflect pvp damage effect (98% reduction or so)

    I marked these down as well! Thank you for your contribution!

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