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    Default PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments

    PTS has been updated with some changes for several mage abilities. These changes are intended to help bring mages more in line with the other callings. As always, these changes are not final, so please post your feedback and call out anything that might be broken.
    As these changes are a work in progress, additional changes will be added to this thread as abilities are updated on PTS.
    Update: 11/18/19 - Added in additional adjustments for the Cleric's Inquisitor soul.
    Update: 11/21/19 - Added in additional adjustments for Inquisitor, Harbinger, and Warlock.
    Update: 11/28/19 - Added in additional adjustments for Radical Coalescence, Nysyr's Rebuke, and Crit Power Capes.

    Mages
    Pyromancer:
    • Pyromancer’s Blessing – Increased passive buff to fire damage by 1% per point spent in the soul.
    • Legendary Fusillade – Increased passive buff to Cinderburst by 5%.
    Harbinger:
    • Legendary Vengeful Shock – Ability is now marked as a Primary Bolt.
    • Rising Storm – Increased passive buff by 1% per point spent in the soul.
    • Lucent Slash – Increased ability damage.
    • Legendary Empyrean Ascension - Increased passive boost to slashing damage to 115%.
    • Rending Slash - Debuff now increases Mage’s slashing damage on the enemy by 18%.
    Warlock:
    • Atrophy – Increased damage per tick.
    • Defile – Increased damage per tick.
    • Death’s Door – Increased damage per tick.
    • Dark Touch – Increased damage per tick.
    • Legendary Life Leech – Increased damage per tick.
    • Life Leech – Increased damage per tick.
    • Legendary Void Barrage - Increased passive boost to damage over time abilities to 65%.

    Clerics
    Inquisitor:
    • Aggressive Inquisition – Reduced cooldown to 30 seconds.
    • Mental Resilience – Increased duration to 60 seconds.
    • Bolt of Depravity – Increased damage.
    • Scourge – Increased damage per tick.
    • Vex – Increased damage per tick.
    • Sanction Heretic – Increased damage per tick.
    • Legendary Radical Coalescence - Increased passive boost to damage over time and bolt abilities to 65%.
    • Legendary Radical Coalescence - Increases the damage of Nysyr's Rebuke while active. (PvE only)
    • Nysyr's Rebuke - Increased damage per tick.

    Known Issues: Tooltips for Legendary Void Barrage, and Legendary Empyrean Ascension have not been updated to reflect passive increase to damage.
    Last edited by Avathar; 11-28-2019 at 11:37 AM.

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    Harbinger deals c.a 85% of 'the Machinegun Ele' on PTS atm
    Leggy Bloom has some nasty rng and Chloro better not stays the bis offsoul.
    Pyro has some annoying low cd % buffs to constantly reapply (Count Down, Flame bolt, Dark Touch(Neddras) which just interrupt the rotation.

    How about:

    1)
    The Charged Blades accept the Eternal bonus. This should gain the st dps by <200k when done right and also provides some amazing aoe options without derailing the pvp performance.

    2)
    Ethereal Blast applying Searing Vitality and Legendary Searing Vitality from the Archont?
    -> Ethereal Beam has a 30 sec Cd which gets reduced by casts and Channels. (Harbinger can bring it down to 18sec cd)
    This may bring 61 Pyro away from the 11 Warlock meta - which includes a 1.5 sec gcd force refresh every 15 secs.
    Ingame Buff Tooltip says 5% more dmg taken atm.
    Make it 15% for 10 Seconds and applyed by Ethereal Blast.


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    Default tested 3 spec

    I went on the PTS today after the update and tested specs on a brand new mage :
    Stats :
    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-stats.jpg
    All test are done with those stats , and all gear come from NPC since we can't copy from live.

    58 Elem to compare with the current live top dps spec :
    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-58elem16pyro2warlock.png
    Spec is 58 elem 16 pyro 2 warlock for max ST dps.
    It should get a really small dps boost from life leech dot change, but overall mana is still a big issue for this spec , like cleric on druid. You burn mana in 3min if you don't have mana potions which isn't really nice for boss fight longer than that. Maybe reduce overall elem mana cost by 10% could help the spec on longer encounters.

    Warlock :
    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-61warlock13domi2arbiter.png
    It's the 61 warlock 13 dominator spec, compare to my live mage , i see that dots have higher %total dps done , as said by the changes. Dummy don't have less than 50% life so death door isn't on the parse , but it could end at around 1m ST dps with those stats , which is really nice.

    Finally , the pyro spec got a pretty nice dps boost with the Pyromancer blessing change :
    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-61pyro11warlock4elem.png
    The spec is the 61 pyro, 11 warlock 4 elem.
    The boost from pyromancer blessings is really cool since it give around 60% damage boost to all fire abilities which bring pyro on the top of mage dps specs.

    I still need to test the harbinger changes. Don't have time to do it yet.

    Hope it will help to boost mage.

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    Harbinger parse is here :
    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-61harb9chloro6arbiter.png
    Nothing to say about the spec, but it need more damage boost. 10sec vengeful shock as primary bolt is cool , but eternal uptime on harb is still not that great, bringing it to 6-7sec cd could help the spec.
    Last edited by Hokhmah; 11-16-2019 at 01:06 PM.
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    Unhappy

    So for now it's best to slap Cinder Burst ontop of macros and don't think about it ^^
    Since after the 1st procc it has the cooldown until proccing again and any delay strat is a loss.

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    That's what i did , with prepull casting cinder burst during tank countdown so it's already on CD and don't mess with your macro if it don't proc straight at engage.

    For harbinger , maybe reducing the cd of vengeful shock , to make eternal proc more often could really help the dps. Something like 7 sec instead of 10 sec.
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    InterCharge 5-10 sec before pull - > Hardcast Missile+Lef - Dark Touch - Fire Storm - Count Down - Flame Bolt -

    This should leave enough options to procc a Cinder tbh.
    Lemme set up a Hot pot, Bofo .51, Shaman and Pyro may takes a while.

    //Same Basic Gear without Fragments or Consumes. In the Golem Foundry.
    Will put the most likely competitor specs on equal gear standart in here.

    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-2019-11-16_bofo.jpg
    Bofo .51

    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-2019-11-18_hopo.jpg
    Hot Pot with Ditran

    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-hokhmowgli.png
    Melee with Hokh

    //


    PTS Update - 11/15/19 - Mage and Inquisitor Adjustments-2019-11-17_sundaypyro.jpg
    Latest PTs pyro with custom macros+ rotation. Quite heavy rng in the opener, can go 1.25
    Playstyle is very twitchy and procc reactive. It even amps up in speed with Lef.

    I will try and update the mage parts as new things come around and add Harbinger when it becomes viable.

    Would be nice to see some people, who have alot of Lock practise from pvp, giving pts a shot.
    Last edited by Shas; 11-18-2019 at 08:31 AM.

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    Is there a reason copy to PTS is grayed out? It wont allow me to copy character to PTS even tho all the bags and auction is cleared out.

    Please advise...
    Last edited by Learan; 11-17-2019 at 07:06 AM.
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    Copy to pts don't work since a long time ago.
    You need to create a new char in order to test the change if you do'nt have a mage yet on pts.
    At least everyone can have the same gear by doing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokhmah View Post
    Copy to pts don't work since a long time ago.
    You need to create a new char in order to test the change if you do'nt have a mage yet on pts.
    At least everyone can have the same gear by doing this.
    Ok its been a while since Ive been on PTS. There use to be a portal in TB to take you to foundry to test. Is there a place in a starter city to do this along with the gear boxes?

    Thanks for the help.
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    You can do it in your main city too yes. The NPC selling gear and the teleport to foundry are there
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    When comparing classes and specs they should all be done in the same place, preferably with basic gear without fragments or consumes. The parses of Hokhmah and the Pyro parse of Shas were made in the Golem Foundry which gives automatically raidbuffs. So everyone else should parse in the Golem Foundry if they want to have comparative values.
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    Jeah jeah i willupdate the benchmarks but not today.



    //Some juicy lags prevented proper breakdowns but the IoB shaman stood on around 1.225m which puts the Pts Pyro in a good spot. However - the current 33% LEF will be lower on better gear, when the eternal impact shrinks a bit and Cinder etc start to scale better.
    With the trashy pts gear, Pyro is in a good state.
    -> Considering, that a live Pyro will benefit from Inferno (useable below 40% target hp), i personaly would call it in quite a good state as it is right now. Gj

    Both pts Pyro and IoB shaman peaked at ca. 1.6m after 10 seconds

    The question is if a ranged Pyro or a way more flexible melee Harbinger should end up as the better st option.
    Last edited by Shas; 11-17-2019 at 03:25 PM.

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    In an ideal world , we should be able to play the most possible spec at max dps to promote build diversity among players.

    Speaking about specs' change :
    - Warlock could gain 20% more dots damage on the legendary void barrage making it 70% instead of 50%. Another option could be to allow persist/void barrage , to refresh/apply every kind of dot you know not only the deaths ones. Another small fix , but currently Neddra's might is the only endurance boosting ability that don't give 1000 endurance but only 160 like the lvl 65 version.
    - Necromancer could see his Necrosis dot having double the base damage , so it boost necro spec + warlock spec that use necromancer off soul, bringing it at the same spot as dominator warlock, but with more mobility. Currently , legendary Plague bolt is useless on every possible spec. Maybe changing it in something which proc : " Have a chance to be cast on the target if it take damage from a non necro ability" could give a dps boost for some specs.
    - Harbinger could have the cd of vengeful shock reduce to 5-7 sec to have a better eternal uptime since now it's a primary bolt. Also empyrean ascension could gain a bit more passive damage to slash attack and cast attack , like 10% and 5% respectively.
    - Chloromancer , bloom should cast all its vile spore onto the target you are currently attacking , being that way less RNG in term of damage distribution and allowing a smoother playstyle for every specs that use it. Sometimes it don't cast all the 5 spores , but between 0-5 being random.
    - Archon , making the legendary searing vitality 20% damage taken and 18sec duration could make it a viable off soul for dps specs. atm the spell isn't usable since it don't provide a high enough damage boost and don't last long enough. In comparison galvanic strike is 25% damage dealt for 30sec with the downside of needed charge. 20% damage taken for 18sec is fair for a 0 point legendary.
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    A bunch of ideas

    + Leg Bloom could skip the healing and just cast 5 Vile Spores on your target.

    + Vengeful Shock could be brought down to 5 sec cd and the doubletick reduced to one. -> No change on effective dmg/min and the complicated balancing math.

    + Increasing the base damage of the Charged Blades(Jagged Blades) could go a long way.

    +Blazing Light could increase the life damage the target recieves by ~75%, idealy unlocked together with the Lucient slash spread talent.(Light Nova)

    + Normal Pearcing Beam could get it's Slash dmg bonus amped up.

    Here comes the best one:
    + Eldritch Armor could give a 100%/ 200% dmg Bonus to the cast consuming the procc, bringing this mechanic back on the menu. (Pyro-Bringer ? 13 Pyro 2 Sc/ 11Pyro 4Sc synnegize very well- as long as the procced casts do appropriate damage.)
    Harbchont was one of the most enjoyable hybrids ever and also featured fire/earth hardhit proccs.

    + Lightning blade and Lightning Charge double the tickrate of Tempest Winds.

    - Plague Bolt becomming a IoB-style procc sounds a little too easy for Harb and Chloro

    - Searing 20% for 18 sec sounds a little too bis for 0 points.


    //Interesting how different the responses to cleric and mage changes are
    Last edited by Shas; 11-18-2019 at 01:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avathar View Post
    Harbinger:
    • Legendary Vengeful Shock – Ability is now marked as a Primary Bolt.
    • Rising Storm – Increased passive buff by 1% per point spent in the soul.
    • Lucent Slash – Increased ability damage.
    I think before the currently most frequently played harbinger variants (61 Harbinger/Chloro) can be balanced the problems with Legendary Bloom should be solved. Legendary Bloom looks promising on the test dummy but in a raid the ability is too unreliable because of this Bug and the random selection of targets. A solution would be that the 5x Vile Spores only hits the selected target. The randomly distributed Vile Spores by L. Bloom has always been a hated mechanic, changing that would be a welcome quality of life change.

    Legendary Bloom does not benefit from the 60% dmg boost from Legendary Empyrean Ascension and does not generate charge. If you could correct this, it would also mean a noticeable damage gain for the 61 Harb/Chloro.

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