Clarification about Wrath Spikes, etc?

[Morvick]

And it isn't really hair-splitting, either. It might be just "-4," but the point is, after grinding out the next tier of pvp gear, we still won't have as much vengeance as we did when we had wrath spikes. It'd be analogous to completing a full set of ID gear and ending up with LESS sp than your HK set. Not a huge deal, no, but it's a bit silly.

Certainly, but when the rest of the gear will be undoubtedly better in the other respects, it's still a net profit. Wearing the new gear is still an obvious choice if my gains in Int/Wis outweigh my losses from SP from the hypothetical HK-ID progression you posed. Sometimes your upgrade has a red negative number on it, but can you really argue with 4+ stats in the green if that's the trade-off?

I guess I've just never been that obsessed with scrambling up the slippery slope; if I can survive the fight and win, clearly I have enough of whatever (Touchness, Vengeance, general DPS, w/e). Everything after that is gravy.

As for the doubiousness of the change, they might be just adding it to the WAR Attunement (at 50 Vengeance instead of 60?), so this constitutes "balancing" in my mind.
When everyone's put at the same disadvantage, it stops being a disadvantage and becomes a standard.

[Lokken`]

The new PvP gear get`s only increased Vengance and Endurange. Sp/Crit, Int, Wis stays the same for armor and accessories. Only new weapons get extra SP.

The point of doing those calculations was to show you how much is this 60 Vengeance. For casters the increase in Vengeance from new PvP armor set is totally nullified by the loss of Wrath Spikes.

[Scioned]

When everyone's put at the same disadvantage, it stops being a disadvantage and becomes a standard.

Wow, you said it all right there.