[DISCUSSION] Make Planar Attunement Experience Universal to Account

[PFalcon]

IF this person has a cleric with 600 PA and gives them to the rogue, then the person will have a cleric with 0 PA and rogue with 600 PA. Players should be incentivised to play the game, not to play a certain character ad nauseam.

You all will go out of your way to spin fairness any way you can.
Plat is not a sufficient price for twinks to have max PA. Sorry.

You have already demonstrated that you cannot afford the price to PA your alt.
That's the price. You can't pay it.

It's ok. But that IS the price. Plat isn't. It's not a question of money. It's a question of time you know you can't compete with and want a discount on.

To give all these meaningless twink characters PA degrades its meaning and value. Simple as that.

[Pett]

You all will go out of your way to spin fairness any way you can.
Plat is not a sufficient price for twinks to have max PA. Sorry.

You have already demonstrated that you cannot afford the price to PA your alt.
That's the price. You can't pay it.

It's ok. But that IS the price. Plat isn't. It's not a question of money. It's a question of time you know you can't compete with and want a discount on.

To give all these meaningless twink characters PA degrades its meaning and value. Simple as that.

PA would still be locked out pre-50 so you couldnt put PA on a twink no matter how much plat you have.

[PFalcon]

PA would still be locked out pre-50 so you couldnt put PA on a twink no matter how much plat you have.

Your 50 twink is still a twink. Game starts at 50. Levelling to 50 is just as cheap a price to pay for max PA as plat is, and neither is sufficient. PA is not an increasing returns kind of asset, where the more alts you spam the better it gets. PA is a devotion-marker, where every person puts the same amount of effort in per character to make it what it is.

Twinks and alts degrade the value of PA unless they can sit there and earn it themselves. Sorry. I know you want to be worth what 4 regular players are, and PA sharing between your alts is the only thing standing in your way.

And that's why it's still standing in your way.

[Redcruxs]

Your 50 twink is still a twink.

Sorry. I know you want to be worth what 4 regular players are, and PA sharing between your alts is the only thing standing in your way.

And that's why it's still standing in your way.

this has got to be the most derp thing i've read all week

you DO realize that twinks are only twinks when they are in the lower level brackets right? as soon as they hit 50 they will be pitted against maxxed out R8 players with relics and be destroyed instantly just like all the other fresh 50's regardless of if they have 1000 PA levels or not, because the R8's can also have that much PA.

from the definition of twink:

"In MMORPGs, twinking refers to powerleveling a character through the assistance of a higher level character, particularly through the use of otherwise unattainable high level equipment, or the process of keeping a video game character at a low level while using in-game currency, earned by a high level character, to provide it with superior equipment."

its impossible to have superior equipment to another lvl 50 player as a lvl 50 twink, therefore twinking at lvl 50 is impossible.

[Melodyx]

@Anuhart

I mentioned your playstyle to emphasize what is clearly the problem here: you simply lack the experience and knowledge to understand key parts of this discussion. Who are you to say that PA doesn`t discourage raiders/pvpers from playing alts when you have barely tried those two significant parts of the game. Again, dozens of people who DO play this content tell you that the current system discourages them from playing their alts. We give concrete examples why and your response is always`no it doesn`t` usually followed by some condesending remarks. You categorically refuse to acknowledge any evidence that is counter to your point of view.

You say people are entitled to play the content they want. I completely agree. That`s the whole point of this thread; PA prevents a large portion of the RIFT community from playing the content they want. Thankfully Trion understands this better than you and showed it when they pushed back the T3 release.

It's not an illusion that an alt can't be played until it's maxed out. For those of us with jobs, wives/girlfriends and other interests outside of RIFT it's a reality. Maybe you can spend every waking hour in game but most of us don't have that luxury. All we're asking for is to be given credit for the massive time investment we've already made. I don't think that's such a horrible thing to ask.

[Melodyx]

You mean let YOU enjoy the game.

How about all the people who dont have max PA already? You can have multiple toons with maxed PA while they have 100 levels or less and thats all ok? You can, in your words, crush anyone who hasnt played as long as you have, and now you want to do that on any toon you decide to make.

Theres 2 sides to the argument. As i said previously, transfer is fine, shared PA is not.

Well as it stands I only have the time to play my main, so I'm destroying all of the less progressed people 100% of the time. Shared PA would encourage me to play alts that would be less geared for a significant length of time and thus at a significant disadvantage. So it actually levels the playing field at least while the alts are gearing up. It certainly doesn't make it any less balanced.

[Anuhart]

@Anuhart

I mentioned your playstyle to emphasize what is clearly the problem here: you simply lack the experience and knowledge to understand key parts of this discussion. Who are you to say that PA doesn`t discourage raiders/pvpers from playing alts when you have barely tried those two significant parts of the game. Again, dozens of people who DO play this content tell you that the current system discourages them from playing their alts. We give concrete examples why and your response is always`no it doesn`t` usually followed by some condesending remarks. You categorically refuse to acknowledge any evidence that is counter to your point of view.

You say people are entitled to play the content they want. I completely agree. That`s the whole point of this thread; PA prevents a large portion of the RIFT community from playing the content they want. Thankfully Trion understands this better than you and showed it when they pushed back the T3 release.

It's not an illusion that an alt can't be played until it's maxed out. For those of us with jobs, wives/girlfriends and other interests outside of RIFT it's a reality. Maybe you can spend every waking hour in game but most of us don't have that luxury. All we're asking for is to be given credit for the massive time investment we've already made. I don't think that's such a horrible thing to ask.

I honestly think there is no hope for you in an MMO, progression game, if you feel this way.
Oh, when I say I don't raid in Rift, that doesn't mean I have no experience in progression raiding, quite the contrary. That experience is the reason I choose not to raid or even do instances in Rift.

Have you looked into other genres, there are games with no gear progression where you can be max geared and max lvl, or rather the same as everyone else, and just repeat end content with equals right off the bat.
Perhaps you might look to those as well as play Rift, maybe you will appreciate the actual journey rather than the destination that MMO's offer then. More so appreciate that playing the way you want, the way that is fun for you, is what you will get most out of.

The way it looks now is that you are doing what you don't like and having issues with it. You can fix that, I did.

As for "It's not an illusion that an alt can't be played until it's maxed out." Just /sigh.

[aabuster1]

Planar Attunement, like all other character advancement, should stay locked to ONE character.

Next thing you want all experience account bound. This discourages playing of alts, I mean come on when your leveling up you can only get experience on one character.

Next thing you want all PvP levels account bound. Again, why play an alt when you still have PvP levels to gind out.

Next thing you want marks to be given to all your characters when you get any because receiving marks only on one character discourages you to play any other character.

Next thing you'll wanting all crafting professions to level across all your characters when you craft. I mean come on you can have 3 professions per character. Its not fair they all don't level at the same time. This discourages you from playing alts.

Next thing you'll want PvE and PvP expereince to be tied together so playing one type does not limit you in the other area.

Honestly I can't believe people even seriously discuss this idea. As a matter of fact I don't think they do. Titles like this just gets randomly posted, generally by the same person, until the majority of the opposition tires of replying to them.

[Melodyx]

I honestly think there is no hope for you in an MMO, progression game, if you feel this way.
Oh, when I say I don't raid in Rift, that doesn't mean I have no experience in progression raiding, quite the contrary. That experience is the reason I choose not to raid or even do instances in Rift.

Have you looked into other genres, there are games with no gear progression where you can be max geared and max lvl, or rather the same as everyone else, and just repeat end content with equals right off the bat.
Perhaps you might look to those as well as play Rift, maybe you will appreciate the actual journey rather than the destination that MMO's offer then. More so appreciate that playing the way you want, the way that is fun for you, is what you will get most out of.

The way it looks now is that you are doing what you don't like and having issues with it. You can fix that, I did.

As for "It's not an illusion that an alt can't be played until it's maxed out." Just /sigh.

Can't even get through the first sentence without an insult? Why are you so angry all the time?

I happen to have cleared all the raid content and did appreciate the actual journey. What I and others would like is to be able experience the enjoyable parts of the journey again, from a different point of view. What we'd like to do is eliminate the parts we didn't enjoy as much as possible. I'm sorry this offends you and makes you want to insult everyone around you. I feel truly sorry for you.

I'd be very surprised if there was a single person that has rank 40 pvp with full gear, BiS HK gear and max PA on 2 or more characters. Sigh all you like, it's an illusion.

[Anuhart]

Where's the insult? Where's the anger?

Nobody is stopping you from enjoying the journey again but you.
You are wanting to skip the journey.

And, now I'm confused. Is it an illusion or not?

[Kolfinna]

Planar Attunement, like all other character advancement, should stay locked to ONE character.

Next thing you'll want all Inscribed Sourcestones and Planerite to be account bound. This discourages the playing of alts. I mean, come on! When you're leveling up, you can only get planar goods for ONE CHARACTER.

And, god, if you make planerite and inscribeds account bound, you might as well make an account bound sigil/engine, too. "Hey guys, I just hit level 50 this morning, and I already have a source engine with 6 epic essences in it." Yeah. THAT seems fair. There's a REASON you can't earn essences on one character and give them to another. I don't know what it is, but I'm sure it has something to do with people not playing their alts enough.

I mean, next you'll have people crafting gear and consumables for their alts! Fresh level 50s would have enough gear to get into Hammerknell instantly! Heck, when Infernal Dawn comes out, I bet you'll want to be able to craft ID-level gear to give to your alts, too! Ewww.

Oh, and think about the professions themselves! If you want to make cloth gear for your mage, you sure as heckfire better have a 300 Outfitter on your mage. And if you want to make leather for your rogue, you shouldn't be allowed to just skip leveling your rogue as an outfitter! People won't play their alts if they can just skip key pieces of the game like that!

But there's more than just gear to a character. Okay, and enchants and consumables. (And don't even get me STARTED on platinum being freely tradable between characters!) Experience has been brought up, too. And favor! Look, everything should be kept completely separate! If you can gain favor from doing PvE quests, no one would ever PvP. And if you could gain xp from PvP, the LFG would never pop, because no one needs to do PvE content! Come ON people, keep these things separate! It's hard enough to encourage people to play some aspects of the game WITHOUT giving them a free pass to only play what they enjoy.

Honestly, I can't believe people would even CONSIDER letting people skip some parts of progression on their alts, after already having done it on their main. In fact, people shouldn't even be able to HAVE alts! If you want to play more than one character, buy another copy of the game. (hello, Veteran Reward double-dipping!) I only play one character, and I'm doing just fine. Wanting to have a second character is just greedy. Don't even get me started on these people that want to gear up and play three, or even four different callings!

[Malark]

If it was paid at 1 plat per level then i dont see a problem, as long as it is a transfer rather than a share.

I do think it should be limited so that it cant be done day by day, simply because plat is not all that hard to get hold of, even for 600.

I think there should be a limit on the quantity you can transfer, like if it's a minimum of 100 people can't just farm 10 on one character then swap it straight to another.


If 100 levels = 100 plat even people with TONNES of plat will run out pretty quick if they're chopping and changing levels between characters.

[Malark]

Honestly, I can't believe people would even CONSIDER letting people skip some parts of progression on their alts, after already having done it on their main. In fact, people shouldn't even be able to HAVE alts! If you want to play more than one character, buy another copy of the game. (hello, Veteran Reward double-dipping!) I only play one character, and I'm doing just fine. Wanting to have a second character is just greedy. Don't even get me started on these people that want to gear up and play three, or even four different callings!

I don't really think it's about all that, the problem is PA takes a lot of time to fill out, and it really demotivates someone from making another character.


I think Trion need to also introduce some kind of skip it regards to starting level. I.e If you have a level 50 or even a level 50 with 200+ PA, all new characters that you make should start at level 30 or something.

[Melodyx]

Where's the insult? Where's the anger?

Nobody is stopping you from enjoying the journey again but you.
You are wanting to skip the journey.

And, now I'm confused. Is it an illusion or not?

It would take me an hour to compile a list of all the insults and rude comments you`ve made in this thread, let alone the entire forum. Telling me there's no hope for me isn't supposed to be an insult? Right...

Real life is stopping most of us from doing the entire journey twice. If you do something twice I guess you make sure to do all the things you didn't enjoy. Good for you. The rest of us try to separate the wheat from the chaff.

You're confused all right.

[Anuhart]

Who says you need to do any entire journey in any specific time? Other than you.

You are looking not at playing characters who gain PA XP while playing them, but rather you are looking at needing to grind out PA XP on them before you can play them.

This is an error on your part.

"It's not an illusion"
"It's an illusion"


Damned right I'm confuddled.