[Mage] Big PVP Mess about to Hit

[lgw]

Right now, Mages are kinda OK. The problem is while we have some slightly OP combos (at least if not countered properly - Power Auras, I hear thee comin'), we have so huge fundamental limitations, I'm still effectively unable to play for 15s+ in PVP at times.
With Rogues going live as is, it's pretty much good bye and back to the free favour place. I highly doubt that the Mage community is willing to take another 2 months to the face.

Hence I'm simply quoting myself from another thread, where people whined about too many Chloro/Locks...

FIX:
* immunes
* perma stealth
* chain teleports
* chain interrupts
* broken DRs
* items / skills off DRs
* zero-risk PVP
* zero mobility
* nerfed Mage healing
* non-existant burst
* scaling
* 1-1-2 macro pwnage
* netcode / LoS, sloggy UI
* Did I forget something ?

And THEN we can talk about speccing for something other than survival.
Remember that Dom was buffed in 1.3 ? It's nothing, NOTHING, what Rogues / Wars can do to us - plus it required actual skill to use - and then remember all this rivers of QQ.

If you have questions about anything in particular, feel free to ask.

PS: I have a P6 Rogue twink besides my P8 Mage. So if I just want to roll bads, I can log onto her with 1.5. But funny as it is, I really do like my Mage and want to keep her interesting to play as well.

PPS: Mage souls could also use some tweaking - but that's for another thread, as these are much more general concerns.

[Morwath]

*5v5 Wfs, where AoE isn't the best thing in the world

[nocks]

Congratulation, nothing you said is relevant or true. May God have mercy on your soul.

[Arcshayde]

Your quote seems like a complaint about warriors, with the exception of stealth.

[FireWraith]

A good Rogue can face roll a Chloro/Lock with cooldowns.

And before you say "sure, with their cooldowns," that's the only reason Chloro/Locks are so strong is their cooldowns as well.

Healing debuffs + bleeds + always getting the first hit + magic immunity = dead Mage.

It's just that people don't use a build that has those things in it, so then they complain when they can't beat a Mage with any old build they want to use.

[ElusiveJones]

A good Rogue can face roll a Chloro/Lock with cooldowns.

And before you say "sure, with their cooldowns," that's the only reason Chloro/Locks are so strong is their cooldowns as well.

Healing debuffs + bleeds + always getting the first hit + magic immunity = dead Mage.

It's just that people don't use a build that has those things in it, so then they complain when they can't beat a Mage with any old build they want to use.

qft.

By the way, MM played right are absolutely deadly. Honestly I think the rogue class just attracts more bads than other classes in MMOs, it seems to be a common trend in MMOs. Good rogues are much more rare than good any other class in this game, but there are definitely good rogues out there that melt people. They aren't using some secret build, they just know their class(and have more than 5 keybinds, I think this is a big part of the problem) and how to play against other classes. Can't wait to see how absurd these "good" rogues will be after this patch, luckily I at least have a couple in my guild.

[Nayobe]

Here's 85% of mages in PVP:
Perch somewhere
DoT people up
Devouring shadows untill 100 charge...
POP Empowering Darkeness
Devouring shadows

Oh Noes someone attacks the mage

POP Neddras Essence
POP Shadow Life
Run into a huge mob of enemies
Cast Mortality
Die shortly after or run like a beach

Sorry but I see a lot of TERRRRIBLE mages in the WFs
All they do is dot people or spam that stupid aoe, which isn't really PVP anyways.
Any time you engage them they run like hell or pop their little Neddras essence/Shadow life combo.

[Ruizo]

you meant, a ranged, cloth wearing class which dont stand in melee range to fight like any true man would do but try to kite and reopen the gap to blast with their ranged skills? ah, those puxxies...

[FireWraith]

Here's 85% of mages in PVP:
Perch somewhere
DoT people up
Devouring shadows untill 100 charge...
POP Empowering Darkeness
Devouring shadows

Oh Noes someone attacks the mage

POP Neddras Essence
POP Shadow Life
Run into a huge mob of enemies
Cast Mortality
Die shortly after or run like a beach

Sorry but I see a lot of TERRRRIBLE mages in the WFs
All they do is dot people or spam that stupid aoe, which isn't really PVP anyways.
Any time you engage them they run like hell or pop their little Neddras essence/Shadow life combo.

Um... that's how Mage PvP works in this game.

You really think a Mage can beat someone when they're beating our face in? Not unless we're a Chloro/Lock spec.

Being a good DPS Mage in PvP is 5% skill, 5% gear, and 90% hoping that no one notices your existence. Because if they do, it's a long run back from the respawn.

[Morwath]

Um... that's how Mage PvP works in this game.

You really think a Mage can beat someone when they're beating our face in? Not unless we're a Chloro/Lock spec.

Being a good DPS Mage in PvP is 5% skill, 5% gear, and 90% hoping that no one notices your existence. Because if they do, it's a long run back from the respawn.

I though 90% is pocket healer.
Anyway most -dps- mage specs need litte surv buff, where chlorolocks need litte nerf.

[FireWraith]

I though 90% is pocket healer.
Anyway most -dps- mage specs need litte surv buff, where chlorolocks need litte nerf.

I agree with that.

Most popular builds are indicative of a problem with other builds. In this case, Chloro/Lock is so popular because ANY pure DPS Mage gets absolutely melted with a single Warrior on them. However, the opposite is not true. A DPS Warrior does not melt from 1 Mage being on them.

DPS Mages get killed so fast they aren't even worth healing, while a DPS Warrior that receives even some heals can go on and on tearing through people.

[PhantasmXI]

Here's 85% of mages in PVP:
Perch somewhere
DoT people up
Devouring shadows untill 100 charge...
POP Empowering Darkeness
Devouring shadows

Oh Noes someone attacks the mage

POP Neddras Essence
POP Shadow Life
Run into a huge mob of enemies
Cast Mortality
Die shortly after or run like a beach

Sorry but I see a lot of TERRRRIBLE mages in the WFs
All they do is dot people or spam that stupid aoe, which isn't really PVP anyways.
Any time you engage them they run like hell or pop their little Neddras essence/Shadow life combo.

lol all i see these days are chloro locks or whatever they are....id be happy just having a silence on my rogue that doesnt require a skill to be casted to use :P since stuns are useless with the 3 use cap and all :P

[Shhhh]

IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE

SLIP AWAY HAHAHAHA I CANT DIE EVER EVEN WHEN I RUN INTO 10 PEOPLE AND IM GETTING BUFFED IMAGINE THAT.

^ What am I?

[Meekx]

IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE IMMUNE

SLIP AWAY HAHAHAHA I CANT DIE EVER EVEN WHEN I RUN INTO 10 PEOPLE AND IM GETTING BUFFED IMAGINE THAT.

^ What am I?

A whiner ?

[Breyer]

Here's 85% of mages in PVP:
Perch somewhere
DoT people up
Devouring shadows untill 100 charge...
POP Empowering Darkeness
Devouring shadows

Oh Noes someone attacks the mage

POP Neddras Essence
POP Shadow Life
Run into a huge mob of enemies
Cast Mortality
Die shortly after or run like a beach

Sorry but I see a lot of TERRRRIBLE mages in the WFs
All they do is dot people or spam that stupid aoe, which isn't really PVP anyways.
Any time you engage them they run like hell or pop their little Neddras essence/Shadow life combo.

Are they supposed to stop and pull a rabbit out of a hat to entertain you instead? durrr

Let me demystify things for all the bads who can't kill a chlorolock

They are using THREE MINUTE COOLDOWNS that are PURGABLE to survive your burst. So yeah just keep mashing the 1 I guess.