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    Check it out. The FCC is proposing rules that I believe will severely impact the open use of the intent.

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    A link for those that aren't in the USA.

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    If WW3 breaks out I'm siding with Putin over Obama, atleast we'll have free interwebs

    If this law passes and it stays within US idc really, but if it crosses the Pond then we have an issue
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    FCC?

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    Interesting "test" case in this story:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27191500

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slipmat View Post
    Interesting "test" case in this story:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27191500
    That is completely different from net neutrality. It's more a data protection issue.

    I read that yesterday. This could backfire massively on the US if it's allowed. It's no surprise that the US government have access to our data considering most services are owned by US companies. There's not really any country that can challenge the US but the EU can make life very difficult for them. State governments like the UK might allow the US to do such things but the European Commission being quasi-independent from governments. Look at the whopping fine they' gave Microsoft years ago then look at the pathetic token fine the UK government gave Google for invading our own private wi-fi. If an individual did that it would be prison.

    Since the NSA leaks the EU have been considering a 'data firewall' that would prevent the US from accessing data stored in Europe. If the US government succeed in this request then it's almost certain that this will be implemented and the UK will have to adopt it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caitie View Post
    A link for those that aren't in the USA.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/21489...ally-know.html

    Looks like bandwidth limiting or something for the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slipmat View Post
    Interesting "test" case in this story:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27191500
    Since Microsoft is a US company, they have to operate under US jurisdiction. If the data is stored on a server belonging to them then they should comply. Regardless of where the server is. At least that's how I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikalus View Post
    Since Microsoft is a US company, they have to operate under US jurisdiction. If the data is stored on a server belonging to them then they should comply. Regardless of where the server is. At least that's how I see it.
    That's not the issue. the server is located in another country and contains data from citizens of that country. Just because you can access it in the US doesn't mean that the US government should be allowed to access it.

    Could you imagine what would happen if a European country's government wanted to access data held in the US by a European company. Do you think the US government would allow this. Would they hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VolitheBear View Post
    If WW3 breaks out I'm siding with Putin over Obama, atleast we'll have free interwebs

    If this law passes and it stays within US idc really, but if it crosses the Pond then we have an issue
    The vast overwhelming majority of the world's internet bandwidth and capacity resides in the United States. If this passes, it will affect everyone else because most of the world's websites are hosted in the U.S. True, it won't affect you if you live in say, England and are trying to connect to local businesses or telecom sites... but if you're gaming or doing any sort of surfing that sends you across the pond... well, enjoy the molasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caitie View Post
    That's not the issue. the server is located in another country and contains data from citizens of that country. Just because you can access it in the US doesn't mean that the US government should be allowed to access it.

    Could you imagine what would happen if a European country's government wanted to access data held in the US by a European company. Do you think the US government would allow this. Would they hell.
    The government isn't officially doing anything... yet (unannounced thus far ). They are giving ISPs the authority to regulate traffic based on cost. Microsoft has nothing to comply with. They either pay an ISP for a higher data rate or they don't. For localized international servers they won't need to pay an American ISP to operate overseas. They will have to pay for the ones they operate over here though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laeris View Post
    The government isn't officially doing anything... yet (unannounced thus far ). They are giving ISPs the authority to regulate traffic based on cost. Microsoft has nothing to comply with. They either pay an ISP for a higher data rate or they don't. For localized international servers they won't need to pay an American ISP to operate overseas. They will have to pay for the ones they operate over here though.
    This reply wasn't connected with net neutrality but the post Slipmat linked and someone replied to my reply. The US government are asking for data from Microsoft that is held in another country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laeris View Post
    The vast overwhelming majority of the world's internet bandwidth and capacity resides in the United States.
    How long until this changes? already a few of the 'big boys' are moving Data Centres to other regions, Europe is hoping to lessen the relience on most Net traffic having to currently route through the US:

    http://www.itpro.co.uk/security/2170...t-nsa-snoopers

    http://www.itpro.co.uk/security/2170...t-nsa-snoopers

    Wonder what the ping will be to Trion via Brazil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slipmat View Post
    How long until this changes? already a few of the 'big boys' are moving Data Centres to other regions, Europe is hoping to lessen the relience on most Net traffic having to currently route through the US:

    http://www.itpro.co.uk/security/2170...t-nsa-snoopers

    http://www.itpro.co.uk/security/2170...t-nsa-snoopers

    Wonder what the ping will be to Trion via Brazil

    Answer: I have no idea. I'm so not a networking guy

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    Video with FCC email address in addition to the White House petition link above if interested:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnuo...ure=youtu.be&a

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