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[Harpoon]

@Janstorjord:
I get your point and agree to it to an extend.
While one can argue that Rift is not a 1:1 copy of WoW (for the nitpickers in this thread), it copies enough mechanics and ideas to qualify as what is universally called a "WoW clone". Many games did and still do so and Rift is in no way innocent in this case.
It doesn't matter if game X before WoW already had feature Y implemented or if "WoW copied that from Eq!!", as nowadays the context is all about getting a piece of the 10mio+ cake.

The problem is that making a mmorpg today, you are sort of between a rock and a hard place. If you stray away too far from the WoW sketch, you alienate people who can't relate to what your game offers -as it does not fit to their mmorpg habits fostered for years. If on the other hand you stay too close, people will yell "WoW clone allover!" at your game and leave it at around 250k after a couple of month and far from the inital 1mio boxes sold rush. Both happened alot in the past. It happened to Rift as well when in the beginning rifts and invasions alienated the quest sheeps who whined on the forums until the main aspect of the game got nerved into oblivion, while at the same time players rightfully complained "We're not in Azeroth anymore -except we are at lvl 50". The game is generally estimated to hold 150k-250k subs for a reason.

Many players today are bored to death with WoW clones, while at the same time the market seems to be not ready for someting new off the beaten path.
I bet at the Trion HQ heads are smoking about how to boost small scale (group-)PvP without blatantly copying arenas.
As to the flying mounts: That is one thing i'm shure they won't copy...just because Telara's landmass is WAY too tiny to support it. Telara doesn't even have zeppelins or flying from A to B on fixed routes via gryphons.

[Rizaun]

Get over it, everything in the world is a copy from something else, they may add 2 or 3 new things but the general concept is still a copy and that's how things are made, EVERYTHING.

[Athera]

So...

Players complain that there is no fishing.

Trion adds fishing.

Players complain that there is fishing.

Anyone else see the irony in that?

[the_real_seebs]

Feel bad to say this, but Rift is starting to get more and more like a true copy of WoW... Guessing Rift is gonna get in flying mounts soon to, then the copy is complete.

I want to say that i gave up WoW for Rift, and i was very very pleased about the game... I sent a lot of invites around and and people start joining up and was pleased to... Until this fishing stuff came along. I cant talk for my friends, but i didnt give up WoW with a bunch of lvl 85`s fully skilled in every proffesion, good geared and fun to play guilds with my friends, just to start over with a copy... Sorry. Many people is also changing to Aholes in Rift... If they dont get a fast run, we are all nuubs and have to learn how to play and all kinds of things... But the most people is still great to play with, thats why i still play Rift...

That fishing and survival was the top of the cake... Just like wows fishing and cooking.

This is my own opinion guys, so would like anyone to give me the heads up on what the difference is... Beside Artifacts, rifts and world events... Thanks for reading.

See the stuff in my sig, since people have been saying this since day one, and it's never been particularly true. Rift is a game which includes, as a subset, most of the stuff people liked in WoW. And most of the stuff people liked in EQ. And so on. But it's up to you whether to play it like one of those games, or play it on its own merits.

[the_real_seebs]

What made me switch to Rift was the no-Addon and no-Macro standpoint they had at first.

Macros were present in beta, and there was never any point at which they had a "no-addon" standpoint. Their very first statement was "if we do them, we'll do them well, and we don't expect them to be ready at launch".

There was never a statement that addons would not be in the game. The people who invented the "no-addon" stance did it out of wishful thinking, not based on anything Trion said. Addon support was at least partially in development since long before beta; they weren't ready to commit to providing it, but it was on the roadmap all along, and they never said otherwise.

[aabuster1]

I complain that it is just silly to complain about fishing.

If fishing ruins the game for you then you have some other underlying problem.

[aerisod]

Trion can't even come up with an original name for the game. Only one of the letters in the title "Rift" wasn't used in "World of Warcraft!"

Come on, Trion! Only 25% originality!?

[HeavyMetalLucidity]

Macros were present in beta, and there was never any point at which they had a "no-addon" standpoint. Their very first statement was "if we do them, we'll do them well, and we don't expect them to be ready at launch".

There was never a statement that addons would not be in the game. The people who invented the "no-addon" stance did it out of wishful thinking, not based on anything Trion said. Addon support was at least partially in development since long before beta; they weren't ready to commit to providing it, but it was on the roadmap all along, and they never said otherwise.

pretty much what i was going to say as well.
there has never been a "no addon, no macro" statement produced by Trion. what they did say is stated above. this is because, as explained long ago, their intent was they did not want to allow people to easily make botting a reality with the in game options.

[Din Fletch]

Simpsons did it!

[Din Fletch]

Trion can't even come up with an original name for the game. Only one of the letters in the title "Rift" wasn't used in "World of Warcraft!"

Come on, Trion! Only 25% originality!?

There WAS a table-top scifi RPG called RIFTS... so... yeah

[aerisod]

There WAS a table-top scifi RPG called RIFTS... so... yeah

Oh... well, then Rift is obviously a total rip-off of whatever that was!

[Rizaun]

So...

Players complain that there is no fishing.

Trion adds fishing.

Players complain that there is fishing.

Anyone else see the irony in that?

It works like this. It's ok to copy things that they WANT from other games, but if it's something they DON'T, then it's wrong, unethical, heresy.

[Din Fletch]

Oh... well, then Rift is obviously a total rip-off of whatever that was!

Exactly! Let's all quit and start a Draw Something Facebook club!!

[aerisod]

Exactly! Let's all quit and start a Draw Something Facebook club!!

Facebook is just a copy of Myspace.

[the_real_seebs]

Oh... well, then Rift is obviously a total rip-off of whatever that was!

There was actually a lawsuit about that, but it turns out there's no relationship at all between the concepts, just a similarity of names. "Rifts" is a pretty cool RPG, though, at least if you want a game where you can have a railgun. (No, not a nailgun. Well, probably that too, but it's different.)