+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 25

Thread: Building a machine, hardware gurus wanted.

  1. #1
    Rift Disciple
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    134

    Default Building a machine, hardware gurus wanted.

    I'm wondering what suggestions you tech gurus here might have on this machine i'm considering building. I put together this parts list piece by piece and believe i have all compatibility issues covered. However I'm looking for ways to potentially drop the price a bit. I don't want to lose performance though. So I'm wondering if any of you have any comments or suggestions on similar or equal level hardware, or other sites, that would be cheaper, or just general suggestions on other things i might want to go with, just as long as it doesn't negatively affect the overall performance. Thanks for taking a look. note: please ignore the keyboard, headphones, and monitor. I'll be getting those regardless, i'm mostly just concerned about feedback on the resulting machine itself. Thanks.

    1x
    COUGAR CMX 1000 COUGAR-1000CMX 1000W Power Supply
    Item #:N82E16817553004
    $199.99

    1x
    GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD7 ATX Intel Motherboard
    Item #:N82E16813128465
    $319.99

    2x
    EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 01G-P3-1373-AR Video Card
    Item #:N82E16814130568
    $439.98

    1x
    ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS
    Item #:N82E16827135204
    $16.99

    1x
    ASUS PCE-N13 PCI Express Wireless Adapter
    Item #:N82E16833320048
    $27.99

    1x
    Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
    Item #:N82E16819115070
    $329.99

    1x
    CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory with Airflow Fan
    Item #:N82E16820145304
    $239.99

    1x
    Antec Twelve Hundred Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window
    Item #:N82E16811129043
    $159.99

    2x
    Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Item #:N82E16822136555
    $549.98

    1x
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
    Item #:N82E16832116754
    $99.99

    1x
    RAZER Carcharias Circumaural Professional Gaming Headset
    Item #:N82E16826153043
    $69.99

    1x
    RAZER Arctosa Silver Wired Standard Gaming Keyboard
    Item #:N82E16823114010
    $39.99

    1x
    Acer GD235HZbid Black/orange 23.6" 2ms Widescreen 1080p 120Hz 3D LCD Monitor
    Item #:N82E16824009222
    $369.99

    Grand Total: $2,864.85 ($2384.88 if you don't include monitor, headphones, keyboard)

  2. #2
    Shield of Telara Xzero's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    765

    Default

    DO NOT DOWN GRADE!

    I see that list that rabb1t made.

    You had the right idea in the first place, just read my post below.

    Buy 2 SSDs & RAID0 them, skip the RAPTOR. Buy a terabyte or 2TB HDD for storage. It will be around the same price.

    Don't bother with the 2 GTX460s. Buy one GTX 580 for that price.

    I'm not familiar with COUGAR PSUs so I would scrap that idea too. If you're spending that amount of money, get a reliable brand name. I have been a Thermaltake PSU supporter for years now, along with Corsair(only had memory from them though, which is always excellent!) Stay at 1000W or higher with your build.


    I know cases are viewed as personal taste but have you looked into positive/negative airflow? I have owned the Antec 900 & have 3 friends with the Antec 1200 & while they are decent cases, I'm not a fan of positive airflow. Check into that, if you want. I would get the 1200 over the DF any day if those were my only choices.

    I use a wireless N network in my home & have no problems what-so-ever. Nothing to worry about there.
    Last edited by Xzero; 01-19-2011 at 07:58 PM.

    CPU:Intel Core i7-950/Corsair H70 MB:Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R GPU:eVGA GTX 570
    RAM:Corsair DOMINATOR 6GB DDR3 1600MHz SSD:Intel X25-V 40GBx2(RAID-0) HDD:2TB Seagate
    PSU:Thermaltake Toughpower 1200w (W0133RU) CASE:NZXT Phantom Case (WHITE) MONITOR: BenQ 24"

  3. #3
    General of Telara Denidil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Redmond, WA
    Posts
    722

    Default

    use wired networking (more reliable, lower latency).
    Pretty Pictures (from real life) || Rift Watchers || OFFICIAL Shard Status w/ Queue Length
    Current System: Athlon 64 X2 6000+, Radeon HD 3870 512MB, 4GB PC2-6400, Windows 7 64 Ultimate, 1680x1050. Moderate (custom) settings, 30-40 fps most of the time.

  4. #4
    Champion Tenbears's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Under a bridge
    Posts
    468

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerixar View Post
    2x
    Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Item #:N82E16822136555
    $549.98

    Grand Total: $2,864.85 ($2384.88 if you don't include monitor, headphones, keyboard)
    Good God. If you're going to spend 3 grand on a computer... why put hard drives in it?

    Something like This instead

  5. #5
    Rift Disciple
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    134

    Default

    My plan is to raid1 the raptor drives that's why I went for the rpm speeds I did rather than just doing a raid0. Wouldn't 2x 460 cards in sli be better than a single 580? I have been thinking of going with a different power supply, however it needs to have a 24 pin on it for the motherboard and I didn't find a whole lot that did. My home network is a little funky so I need the wireless card in this case. If I could go wired I would, but I can't.

  6. #6
    Champion Tenbears's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Under a bridge
    Posts
    468

    Default

    Oh, and NO WAY on the dual 460's... just get a single 580

    Something like this

  7. #7
    Champion Tenbears's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Under a bridge
    Posts
    468

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerixar View Post
    My plan is to raid1 the raptor drives that's why I went for the rpm speeds I did rather than just doing a raid0.
    Uh... SSD is 100x better than any kind of hard drive configuration you will ever come up with.

    You use SSD's just one time, and you will NEVER use hard drives again. And the ones I linked, are the new generation too. DREWL.

    I would never put hard drives in a new build. Ever.
    Wouldn't 2x 460 cards in sli be better than a single 580?
    Not really...

    I promise you a single 580 will play this game FAR beyond your expectations. FAR.

    And down the road, if you're not satisfied. Get another.

    I know this isn't a summary, but you can see... they are about the same
    http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4008/33819.png

    And FYI, I play on an ATI 5870 @1920x1200 with ALL graphic options all the way maxed out, and this game plays like Silk!
    This was during the massive invasions during the height of beta 4 too... 60+ players... a zillion monsters... Pretty much 2x what you would ever see in normal play.
    So you can expect even better performance from an nVideo card.
    Last edited by Tenbears; 01-19-2011 at 04:46 PM.

  8. #8
    Ascendant rabb1t's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Bay Area, CA
    Posts
    2,459

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerixar View Post
    COUGAR CMX 1000 COUGAR-1000CMX 1000W Power Supply
    Overkill unless you are going triple graphics. An 850w would be fine for dual. While safe for dual, you don't really need 1k.

    GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD7 ATX Intel Motherboard $319.99
    Um what? Unless you are going triple graphics and extreme overclocking a board that's half that price would do just fine.

    EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 01G-P3-1373-AR Video Card
    Sillyness. A single GTX 570 would be better, or an AMD 6870 or 6950. Unless you are going to go triple monitors there is no reason to go dual lesser Nvidia cards.

    Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor $329.99
    As with everything else, overkill. The Core i5 2500K at about $225 will have more than enough power for gaming. If you are going dual GPU and triple monitor, sure go with a Core i7 2600K because it would match, but if you are looking for a more mainstream build, you don't need it.

    Antec Twelve Hundred Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window $159.99
    Overkill, and last generation. Go with a DF case.

    Western Digital VelociRaptor 600GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $549.98
    Extreme sillynes; go with a 120 gig SSD and a standard speed drive for storage.

    - - - -

    You may want to take a look at my system build page. Your proposed system is... imbalanced.
    Last edited by rabb1t; 01-19-2011 at 04:55 PM.
    **Canceled Oct '11, cannot reply on forums. Contact me through my site.**
    rabb1t.com - pc gaming hardware tech talk for everyone / rabb1t's ramblings podcast
    rabb1t's Gamer Day 2010 After Party videos
    joo can has Rift iPhone 4 and Droid wallpapers


  9. #9
    Rift Disciple
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    134

    Default Update to parts list

    ok after doing some more research and taking into account some of your input here is the updated parts list. i kept the i7 processor (just cuz i will inevitably be expanding on this rig down the line and i figure if i go high that's a little more time that i won't have to replace it. besides the price difference between the i5 and i7 isn't what i'd consider huge. figure of all parts the processor isn't where i'd like to cut any corners on this). I changed case, changed gpu to the 580, cut the dual 10k rpm drives for a single ssd. took a look at my current rig and realized i only have 100gig partitioned for my windows side so i'm not too worried about the ssd only being 128. i wont be using this machine for much other than gaming and maybe editing some fraps videos, all my music is on my laptop and a portable hd and i use my laptop for all work and university stuff so i'll be good. I also changed the power supply i'd selected. Again i think i covered all the compatability conscerns, but i'm a little iffy on the power supply. If someone here wants to do any compatability rechecking on that that would be amazing, and if you notice any problems with this new parts list plz say something, nothing worse than ordering over 2 grand worth of parts only to find out you f*cked something up.

    so now that it's revised, input?

    1x
    ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
    Item #: N82E16827135204
    $19.99

    1x
    Antec DF-85 Black Computer Case
    Item #: N82E16811129087
    $159.99

    1x
    Acer GD235HZbid Black/orange 23.6" 2ms Widescreen 1080p 120Hz 3D LCD Monitor
    Item #: N82E16824009222
    $349.99

    1x
    ASUS PCE-N13 PCI Express Wireless Adapter
    Item #: N82E16833320048
    $27.99

    1x
    EVGA SuperClocked 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
    Item #: N82E16814130590
    $529.99

    1x
    Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-775M 775W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified ...
    Item #: N82E16817153127
    $129.99

    1x
    RAZER Arctosa Silver USB Wired Standard Gaming Keyboard
    Item #: N82E16823114010
    $39.99

    1x
    CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory with Airflow Fan Model CMT8GX3M4A1866C9
    Item #: N82E16820145304
    $239.99

    1x
    GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
    Item #: N82E16813128460
    $129.99

    1x
    Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
    Item #: N82E16819115070
    $329.99

    1x
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
    Item #: N82E16832116754
    $99.99

    1x
    Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
    Item #: N82E16820148348
    $264.99

    1x
    RAZER Carcharias 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Professional Gaming Headset
    Item #: N82E16826153043
    $69.99

    Subtotal: $2,392.87

    Shipping: $170.47

    Grand Total: $2,563.34



    edit: ps, rabb1t your sig is still amazing.
    Last edited by Zerixar; 01-20-2011 at 01:17 AM.

  10. #10
    Shield of Telara Xzero's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    765

    Default

    RAID0ing 2 smaller SSDs usually holds better results at the same price.
    Last edited by Xzero; 01-20-2011 at 01:42 AM.

    CPU:Intel Core i7-950/Corsair H70 MB:Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R GPU:eVGA GTX 570
    RAM:Corsair DOMINATOR 6GB DDR3 1600MHz SSD:Intel X25-V 40GBx2(RAID-0) HDD:2TB Seagate
    PSU:Thermaltake Toughpower 1200w (W0133RU) CASE:NZXT Phantom Case (WHITE) MONITOR: BenQ 24"

  11. #11
    Plane Walker Grymmoire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Posts
    399

    Default

    I do not know how long this deal will last, but I would swap out that Thermaltake for this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-001-_-Product

    I primarily use Jonnyguru's review site for power supplies, since imo, his testing methodology is far superior to most review sites and he actually opens them and reviews components. This is what he had to say, in conclusion about the XFX supply:

    "Performance (40% of the final score) - the XFX 850W Black Edition came looking to make a splash, and ended up doing a cannonball big enough to just about drown the competition. Voltage regulation is nothing short of fantastic, efficiency is excellent, and ripple and noise is just about nonexistent. There are only a very few units able to compete with the performance of this machine, and I'm giving this unit the same performance score I gave them - 10.

    Functionality (20% of the final score) - again, I'm having trouble thinking up things to complain about. I'd like to see a bit more detail to the user guide, and perhaps a seven year warranty instead of the five year one this unit currently has, but that's about it. Tons of modular cables, only a few necessary hardwired ones, and modular cable connectors that practically light up the room all by themselves all add up to a solid 9.5 here.

    Value (30% of the final score) - This unit is so fresh it hasn't made it to many retailers yet, (*Note: this PS has been in the market now for 1 year since the review) but the MSRP on this unit is $199. This will put it into direct competition between it, its cousin in the PC P&C 910W, and the formidable Corsair HX850. This also makes it cheaper than the Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W, at least at Newegg. That's going to make things really interesting for anyone looking to make a decision between all these awesome units... I'm not sure if I could make up my mind. 10.

    Aesthetics (10% of the final score) - ok, I'm going to be brutally honest here - I don't like all the bright green on this thing. Other than that, the XFX isn't a terribly bad looking unit. Certainly, it is better looking in reality than the picture on the box made me think it was going to look. I'm going to go with a 7 here... the green just didn't grow on me enough to do any better here."

    Performance 10
    Functionality 9.5
    Value 10
    Aesthetics 7

    Total Score 9.6

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...Story&reid=165


    Also, unless you need it for productivity, 8GBs of ram is unnecessary for most gaming; you could save a chunk of $$ there!
    Last edited by Grymmoire; 01-20-2011 at 02:03 AM.
    "You're simply jealous since the voices speak only to me."

  12. #12
    Rift Disciple
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    134

    Default

    also wondering about a UPS for this machine, what do you guys use for your performance rigs?

  13. #13
    Champion Mugze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    344

    Default

    http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/2011_..._Dr._I/w/54731

    There I saved you coin and have 2 NVIDIA 580's in SLI on a powerhouse machine....

  14. #14
    Rift Disciple
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    134

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mugze View Post
    http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/2011_..._Dr._I/w/54731

    There I saved you coin and have 2 NVIDIA 580's in SLI on a powerhouse machine....
    very nice site with lots of customization options. Not sure if you saw the updated parts list after the first. The endprice, while similar between the one i've been working on and the one you posted, in the case of the one you linked does not take into account the monitor, headset, and keyboard of my parts list. I do actually need those things, don't have them at the moment b/c i've been gaming on a laptop for quite a while. Soooooooo using that nifty site you linked i went through and re-customized everything to more or less meet with/mirror what i priced out in my revized parts list, and it winds up being quite a bit costlier with all said and done. i think as far as dual 580's go, i'm just going to have to wait a while and somewhere down the road if i feel i need and can afford it i'll get a second one and run them in sli. for now though 1 card will be enough.

    so my main issues (going from the updated parts list) are making sure that the 775 W power supply is sufficient, and what kind of extra cooling i should get as far as the cpu goes.

    is 775W enough for the machine?
    Last edited by Zerixar; 01-20-2011 at 12:58 PM.

  15. #15
    Rift Master Izkimar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    558

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerixar View Post
    ok after doing some more research and taking into account some of your input here is the updated parts list. i kept the i7 processor (just cuz i will inevitably be expanding on this rig down the line and i figure if i go high that's a little more time that i won't have to replace it. besides the price difference between the i5 and i7 isn't what i'd consider huge. figure of all parts the processor isn't where i'd like to cut any corners on this). I changed case, changed gpu to the 580, cut the dual 10k rpm drives for a single ssd. took a look at my current rig and realized i only have 100gig partitioned for my windows side so i'm not too worried about the ssd only being 128. i wont be using this machine for much other than gaming and maybe editing some fraps videos, all my music is on my laptop and a portable hd and i use my laptop for all work and university stuff so i'll be good. I also changed the power supply i'd selected. Again i think i covered all the compatability conscerns, but i'm a little iffy on the power supply. If someone here wants to do any compatability rechecking on that that would be amazing, and if you notice any problems with this new parts list plz say something, nothing worse than ordering over 2 grand worth of parts only to find out you f*cked something up.

    so now that it's revised, input?

    1x
    ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
    Item #: N82E16827135204
    $19.99

    1x
    Antec DF-85 Black Computer Case
    Item #: N82E16811129087
    $159.99

    1x
    Acer GD235HZbid Black/orange 23.6" 2ms Widescreen 1080p 120Hz 3D LCD Monitor
    Item #: N82E16824009222
    $349.99

    1x
    ASUS PCE-N13 PCI Express Wireless Adapter
    Item #: N82E16833320048
    $27.99

    1x
    EVGA SuperClocked 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
    Item #: N82E16814130590
    $529.99

    1x
    Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-775M 775W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified ...
    Item #: N82E16817153127
    $129.99

    1x
    RAZER Arctosa Silver USB Wired Standard Gaming Keyboard
    Item #: N82E16823114010
    $39.99

    1x
    CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory with Airflow Fan Model CMT8GX3M4A1866C9
    Item #: N82E16820145304
    $239.99

    1x
    GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
    Item #: N82E16813128460
    $129.99

    1x
    Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
    Item #: N82E16819115070
    $329.99

    1x
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
    Item #: N82E16832116754
    $99.99

    1x
    Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
    Item #: N82E16820148348
    $264.99

    1x
    RAZER Carcharias 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Professional Gaming Headset
    Item #: N82E16826153043
    $69.99

    Subtotal: $2,392.87

    Shipping: $170.47

    Grand Total: $2,563.34



    edit: ps, rabb1t your sig is still amazing.
    Don't get superclocked on the video card it isn't worth the extra money, and the OC is minor. You're better off OC'ing yourself. I would recommend going Corsair for the power supply they are very reliable, and you I would also suggest getting the HAF 932 chasis. I can't really recommend a Sandy Bridge mobo right now, but I probably wouldn't go with the Gigabyte one, however if you aren't really going to be doing any overclocking then it wouldn't matter as much. I wouldn't get the 580 it's just not worth the price premium stamped on it right now, I would go with a 570 or even a 6950 which really is the best card for price/performance. Also, what games besides Rift will you play? That's an important question. Also, if you are looking to go with a dual card setup in the future I would recommend getting a 1000 watt power supply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerixar View Post
    very nice site with lots of customization options. Not sure if you saw the updated parts list after the first. The endprice, while similar between the one i've been working on and the one you posted, in the case of the one you linked does not take into account the monitor, headset, and keyboard of my parts list. I do actually need those things, don't have them at the moment b/c i've been gaming on a laptop for quite a while. Soooooooo using that nifty site you linked i went through and re-customized everything to more or less meet with/mirror what i priced out in my revized parts list, and it winds up being quite a bit costlier with all said and done. i think as far as dual 580's go, i'm just going to have to wait a while and somewhere down the road if i feel i need and can afford it i'll get a second one and run them in sli. for now though 1 card will be enough.

    so my main issues (going from the updated parts list) are making sure that the 775 W power supply is sufficient, and what kind of extra cooling i should get as far as the cpu goes.

    is 775W enough for the machine?
    Seriously if you even considered going custom built, do not go to Ibuypower. I know many people who have been burned by them and other companies alike, and their rigs aren't the best quality built machines either. I would recommend Digital Storm for a custom build company. "digitalstormonline.com" It might be a little bit more expensive than Ibuypower, but you get at least a 3 year warranty/Lifetime customer service and help with parts and labor. They offer some of the best put together machines, and the OC's they put on them are really solid. The OC is one of the best parts and reasons to go custom build if you don't have the know how to do it yourself.
    Check out this build http://digitalstormonline.com/complo....asp?id=477445
    You will get a 4.7 ghz OC out of this, and with an LC upgrade you could get a 5.2 ghz OC but that isn't necessary as you won't see much performance increase in games by doing so.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts