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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    ToR is gonna have more people and sustain more people for two reasons.

    Its star wars, sorry, rift will never have more subs or even close to tor after launch because of that simple reason.

    The PvP has to be better than rifts, it couldn't possibly be worse.
    So SWG. Absolutely guaranteed to start with and sustain forever more subs than RIFT could possibly have?

    Because if not, your argument is invalid.
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    SWG went on for a pretty long time before it died, Before rifts 1 year anniversary, its gonna be in the same position Warhammer is in. After tor's been out for a year, it'll have MUCH more subs than rifts at the current time. By tors 1 year anniversary, rift will pretty much be dead.

    No one is talking in terms of forever, no MMO lasts forever, you need to not take everything so literal.

    Besides I never said anything about SWG, you brought it up. I'm not compairing SWG to Rift because you can't, SWG was dead before rift was released. I am saying Rift is gonna die long before ToR does though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    SWG went on for a pretty long time before it died, Before rifts 1 year anniversary, its gonna be in the same position Warhammer is in. After tor's been out for a year, it'll have MUCH more subs than rifts at the current time. By tors 1 year anniversary, rift will pretty much be dead.

    No one is talking in terms of forever, no MMO lasts forever, you need to not take everything so literal.

    Besides I never said anything about SWG, you brought it up. I'm not compairing SWG to Rift because you can't, SWG was dead before rift was released. I am saying Rift is gonna die long before ToR does though.
    SWG was a completely different game. Bioware has made a theme park MMO without any of the added features that make Rift fun. In fact, they have nothing special about their game other than the voice overs.

    I cannot wait until the game is released so people can see, because you can be very sure that NDA is not dropping before release. EA knows what they have, and need to try and prevent it from reaching the general gaming public before release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    SWG went on for a pretty long time before it died
    If it ever, at any time, had fewer users than RIFT does, then the claim that the Star Wars name is a guarantee of better success than RIFT which is sustained is not a valid claim.

    Before rifts 1 year anniversary, its gonna be in the same position Warhammer is in.
    [citation needed]

    After tor's been out for a year, it'll have MUCH more subs than rifts at the current time. By tors 1 year anniversary, rift will pretty much be dead.
    Again, [citation needed].

    A few people I know were all hyped about ToR, but actually saw more of it and decided not to bother. A few people I know quit RIFT because there wasn't much in it for them, and have since come back because the ridiculous pace of new content got ahead of them.

    Besides I never said anything about SWG, you brought it up.
    You said that the mere fact that ToR was a SW game was a guarantee of great success. I offered another SW game as a counterexample.

    I am saying Rift is gonna die long before ToR does though.
    Quite possible, simply because if nothing else, the ToR IP is likely to be able to keep the game running regardless of population for a long time.

    But right now, if I had to bet on which of them would have the longest run, I'd bet on Rift, just because Trion's doing some really cool things I have not seen other MMO companies do, and while I quite like Bioware, I have very low expectations of EA.
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    George Lucas gets exactly zero of my dollars. Ever.

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    LOL player housing. you'd walk in, look around, log off and buy SWTOR. Maybe new starter zones followed with chronicle content tailored towards your specific race so we can get some dwarf pride up in HERE.
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    And what exactly is rift doing that no other MMO company has done? I hear a few people talking about this magical new content which hasn't been released since HK, and this "new" stuff that rift is doing when its just a carbon copy except with worse pvp.

    The only thing Rift has done thats new is its soul system, and in the end its the cause for the games balance problems. I knew they couldn't balance the game with such a system even in beta, and I was right. These guys couldn' balance the simple classes in warhammer, when each class has 9 souls and can choose any 3, I knew they couldn't balance that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    And what exactly is rift doing that no other MMO company has done?
    Release content at such a quick rate, for one.

    EDIT: Ah, you edited your post with qualifiers. Anyway, point still stands, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not new content
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    Again, WHAT new content? I havn't seen any. People say Trion releases new content so quickly.

    WHAT NEW CONTENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    And what exactly is rift doing that no other MMO company has done?
    Not rift, Trion.

    Examples include, but are hardly limited to:
    • I have seen a Trion GM post an apology in an "I was banned unfairly" thread. Not just a general "sorry we made a mistake", but a personal apology from the GM who made the mistake.
    • Public apology from the lead dev for a world event that didn't work out well.
    • Keep their whole team (and indeed grow it) after launch instead of laying off or transferring lots of people away.
    • Openly allow discussion of other games and comparisons with them.
    • Openly allow criticism as long as it's remotely polite.
    • Heck, Abigale was saying they're hoping to get some players who have negative opinions about their games for some of the community roundtable podcasts.
    • A number of Japanese players reported getting a month's subscription credit when the tsunami hit. I didn't see an announcement about it or anything; it wasn't done primarily as a publicity stunt, just a thing for the players.
    • Lots of direct feedback from devs on the forums. Not completely unheard of, but rare, especially in a game this size.
    • Insane rate of content development.

    The underlying thing is... Trion is finding people who care about stuff and letting them do what they think is best. I don't know how much you know about software development, but if you have any real programming experience, compare the WoW addon API to the RIFT addon API. The WoW addon API is an afterthought; the RIFT addon API was designed by someone who wanted to make writing addons pleasant and easy, and provide the tools developers need.

    Let me quote you the sum total of every single word of API documentation Blizzard has ever published:
    *crickets*
    Now look at what Zorba's been doing in the addon API forum.

    The whole game is like that. I have seen Zorba answering questions in IRC at 3AM because he cares about the addon developer community. I've talked to a couple of other people at one time or another, and it's the same everywhere. People are working on stuff they care about, and they are encouraged to do things the best they can.

    The dynamic content isn't really completely unique, but the interaction of the much more aggressive use of dynamic content, with the extra flexibility of roles, has created a much more dynamic game experience for people who are willing and able to take advantage of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_seebs View Post
    Not rift, Trion.

    Examples include, but are hardly limited to:
    • I have seen a Trion GM post an apology in an "I was banned unfairly" thread. Not just a general "sorry we made a mistake", but a personal apology from the GM who made the mistake.
    • Public apology from the lead dev for a world event that didn't work out well.
    • Keep their whole team (and indeed grow it) after launch instead of laying off or transferring lots of people away.
    • Openly allow discussion of other games and comparisons with them.
    • Openly allow criticism as long as it's remotely polite.
    • Heck, Abigale was saying they're hoping to get some players who have negative opinions about their games for some of the community roundtable podcasts.
    • A number of Japanese players reported getting a month's subscription credit when the tsunami hit. I didn't see an announcement about it or anything; it wasn't done primarily as a publicity stunt, just a thing for the players.
    • Lots of direct feedback from devs on the forums. Not completely unheard of, but rare, especially in a game this size.
    • Insane rate of content development.

    The underlying thing is... Trion is finding people who care about stuff and letting them do what they think is best. I don't know how much you know about software development, but if you have any real programming experience, compare the WoW addon API to the RIFT addon API. The WoW addon API is an afterthought; the RIFT addon API was designed by someone who wanted to make writing addons pleasant and easy, and provide the tools developers need.

    Let me quote you the sum total of every single word of API documentation Blizzard has ever published:
    *crickets*
    Now look at what Zorba's been doing in the addon API forum.

    The whole game is like that. I have seen Zorba answering questions in IRC at 3AM because he cares about the addon developer community. I've talked to a couple of other people at one time or another, and it's the same everywhere. People are working on stuff they care about, and they are encouraged to do things the best they can.

    The dynamic content isn't really completely unique, but the interaction of the much more aggressive use of dynamic content, with the extra flexibility of roles, has created a much more dynamic game experience for people who are willing and able to take advantage of it.
    Invalid, none of that is content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    Again, WHAT new content? I havn't seen any. People say Trion releases new content so quickly.

    WHAT NEW CONTENT.
    Oh, for crying out loud.

    Three chronicles, a warfront, I don't even know how many raids (don't forget raid rifts), at least four world events, dozens of invasion and rift events, crafting rifts, PvP rifts, artifact sets, quantum/omen sight, a new epic quest chain, and we're coming up on a new zone that's about twice the size of any existing zone in the game.

    Keep in mind all the stuff like raid rifts, the raid you can only see with sliver sight, and so on.

    Ever play, say, WoW? WotLK came out in 2008, Cataclysm in 2010. How many major content updates did they have in that time? Three. Rift came out in 2011. How many major content updates have we had since then? Five.
    You can play WoW in any MMO. You don't have to play WoW in RIFT. Oh, and no, RIFT is not a WoW clone. Not having fun any more? Learn to play, noob! I don't speak for Riftui, but I moderate stuff there. Just came back? Welcome back! Here's what's changed. (Updated for 2.5!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakiro View Post
    Invalid, none of that is content.
    I never claimed it was.

    You asked what rift had done that other MMO companies hadn't done. I answered that question while you were posting your next question (answered below).

    Now go back and read it as a response to the question it was obviously an answer to, not a new question that was posted while I was writing it.
    You can play WoW in any MMO. You don't have to play WoW in RIFT. Oh, and no, RIFT is not a WoW clone. Not having fun any more? Learn to play, noob! I don't speak for Riftui, but I moderate stuff there. Just came back? Welcome back! Here's what's changed. (Updated for 2.5!)

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    lucas arts isnt part of the creation of rift.

    nuff said.

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    These forums needs a dislike function not just a like function.

    Desparaging something because you dont like it, isnt the best way to go about something. Dont want it in the game? Fine, if/when Trion puts it in DONT USE IT. No one forces you to use player housing, the wardrobe, cosmetic items, all that other fluff a lot of players like.

    I for one get sick of mmos that focus entirely on combat and not enough social - sick to the point I am almost ready to give up on the genre permanently. That was the one thing I like about warcrap. They had a lot of stuff to do that didnt require you to go out and kill 10 rats.

    What does Rift have thats non-combat related in some way? Nothing. Granted if they put in housing, you would have to go out to do missions and whatnot to get money to fund it, but you naysayers wouldnt be using housing anyway, so its a moot point.
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