And I've also played real PvP games. Shadowbane till it tanked. DAoC. Asheron's Call Darktide FFA server. Warhammer.....etc. Yes, I'm afraid what you're calling amazingly polished and indepth PvP in WoW is in fact PvP with training wheels. this isn't a get off my lawn post but rather one advising you to broaden your pallette instead of expecting Trion to port WoW over like a big safety blanket.