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Thread: Raid Video Comparison: Rift's Hammerknell vs. SWTOR's Eternity Vault

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    Default Raid Video Comparison: Rift's Hammerknell vs. SWTOR's Eternity Vault

    This topic is to strictly compare the videos between each other.


    Rift's Waves of Madness (aka Hammerknell Opening)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqa8_...layer_embedded

    First part of this video is a lowly miner hitting away at ore in the open fields of Moonshade highlands as the sounds of an approaching storm and thunder breaks in the background.

    The video then cuts to an open presentation of an army...an ARMY! of followers of Akylios marching across the Telaran highlands.

    As the army marches forth, a non-external narrative is presented by what seems to be a General of this army.

    "Arise, my servants. The wards of Hammerknell are shattered. I release you Akylios. Come forth and claim this world!"

    This short speech makes several things clear. First, it explains why Hammerknell is in trouble with it's protection wards being shattered and all. Secondly, it gives objective of the army that is marching on Moonshade in that they're trying to free Akylios.

    After this part we have a view of four Water Rifts where it quickly shifts between each one showing large group fights between Ascended and invaders. At least three of them are uniquely different (the last two look to be the same type though).

    The video starts to now focus on a rider who's riding the Epic Swift Ember Steed from the Ascend-a-Friend program. The rider passes another Water Rift on the road, of which there was a small group fighting it. This is were he's joined by another rider from the left who's riding a Najmok mount.

    Cut to the stairs of Hammerknell, were more are joined to this small group. There's a fight with a giant naked dog thing that looks like a creature from Doom, just with purple magic glistening through it. It gets defeated and...

    The doors of Hammerknell open. A raid of 13 players (this number perplexes me, but I think it's Alpha, so it has to be a Dev group) stands there and then enters.

    And now it goes from boss fight to boss fight to boss fight (very little "trash mobs" are seen, if any at all). Each boss showing a unique look and style.

    The music cuts out just as Akylios raises from a pit, roaring at the trespassers.

    For the last part of the video, it shows new armor sets for every one of the classes as four Ascended stand at the height of steps awaiting yet another Water invasion.

    Mind you, this entire video goes on during some very epic music that I cannot really describe properly and should be heard for itself.

    Overall: 5 out of 5.


    Star Wars The Old Republic's Eternity Vault

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn69aBpvs5w

    The video opens with a monotone narrator.

    "We've uncovered a new section of Valsalvus Prison. It's alien builders called it the Eternity Vault. It's where they kept the prisoners and technology they could never afford to release. If we don't do anything, then the war against the Republic may be nothing next to what will come."


    This tells the location and that the narrative is for the Empire, but nothing else. Sure they've uncovered this section, but it says nothing about them releasing anything. It doesn't mention anything as to why the player/hero is needed to go into that location.

    During the speech, the video first shows a front door, a large hallway, a giant tubular section that has moving walk paths, and another large hallway. The speech finally ends with a scene of a prisoner in what looks to be a cryogenic chamber, but only to be seen as being continuously electrocuted.

    Droid voice saying "The Eternity Vault defenses are active. Get to the escape pods." This shows a bunch of people, guards, and droids running to escape pods. Now I really must ask that if the defenses are active, why bother with it? Sounds like everything is working. Where's this sense of panic coming from?

    Next it's outside as several bullet pod things fall from the sky hitting the snow. This is the hero's entrance as they all come running out of the snow towards the prison.

    In a normal Star Wars like fashion, they all go frantically charging in to attack the two front guarding turrets. In one frame, 17 players can be counted.

    After the turrets are down, a giant droid drops from the sky and starts to attack players.

    This cuts to the players going across the platforms in the giant tube room to a middle where they're fighting more giant droids that look like blown up versions of a Probe Droid.

    Cut to overview of botanical garden with lava flow pit.

    Another fight with an organic this time. However, it's unclear who or what it was because of the cloak over it's head the entire fight.

    And finally it cuts to a specific prison cell that has many protective barriers and restraints all aimed at one individual. This person looks similar to Admiral Ackbar, except with the bulging external eyes. The video finished with him breaking his restraints (it can be instantly assumed that he's the final boss of that prison raid).

    The music of the video is that of anything Star Wars.

    Overall: 3 out of 5.
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    I want SWTOR to be great, I really do, but the more I see the less I'm impressed.
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    Trailers mean nothing. It's the content itself that matters.
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    This review is fair and balanced.

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    Star Wars looks great. Just can't beat light sabre's and AT-AT's ;) I'll be there anything has gotta be better than this. If not oh well Guild Wars 2 and Diablo III will be next. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptFailure View Post
    Trailers mean nothing. It's the content itself that matters.
    I have to respectfully disagree. Both have their place and are equally as important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptFailure View Post
    Trailers mean nothing. It's the content itself that matters.
    Normally yes, however, SWTOR is about cinematics and storytelling. It's what is to set SWTOR apart from other mmo's. These cinematic trailers do matter as they are in part telling the storyline of SWTOR. The trailers showing off classes and what not, not as important. Gotta say I very much liked the Return trailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme Fatal1 View Post
    Star Wars looks great. Just can't beat light sabre's and AT-AT's ;) I'll be there anything has gotta be better than this. If not oh well Guild Wars 2 and Diablo III will be next. ;)
    GW2 is nothing but half a mmo. ITs just like GW1. Arenas. Then they have their open world pvp which is supposed to be the big seller but its not. More people will be in the arenas and that will be GW2 problem. Like the idea, but its just not going to be a big competitor. Wait and play the game and you will see what i mean.

    If rift makes an rvr zone/map/system, then GW2 will have a problem dealing with rift. As thats all rift needs to compete with GW2.

    D3....AHAHAHAHAHAH. Are you sitting down? Take a deep breath...relax. Because you now need to know that D3 is being made into a console port. Which means, DUMBED DOWN PC GAME. GG DIABLO 3! LOLZ.

    D3 got owned by console. GG.

    Ans Star wars is literally nothing but cinematic cut scenes. The beta is laughable. Its fun until you realize your not playing a real MMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarmor View Post
    Normally yes, however, SWTOR is about cinematics and storytelling. It's what is to set SWTOR apart from other mmo's. These cinematic trailers do matter as they are in part telling the storyline of SWTOR. The trailers showing off classes and what not, not as important. Gotta say I very much liked the Return trailer.
    I was speaking purely incontext of the raid content trailers, which show gameplay. While yes Rift's trailer is more "epic" than the SWTOR one in this case, when it comes to trailers advertising content it's all about what the content brings in terms of entertainment and replay value. For example WoW's recent patch trailers are suitably epic, but the content itself has been sub par at best.

    Basically it doesn't matter if Rift's content trailer is more epic than the SWTOR's. If the content doesn't deliver it was all for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptFailure View Post
    I was speaking purely incontext of the raid content trailers, which show gameplay. While yes Rift's trailer is more "epic" than the SWTOR one in this case, when it comes to trailers advertising content it's all about what the content brings in terms of entertainment and replay value. For example WoW's recent patch trailers are suitably epic, but the content itself has been sub par at best.

    Basically it doesn't matter if Rift's content trailer is more epic than the SWTOR's. If the content doesn't deliver it was all for nothing.
    The trailers get so annoying when playing the game. Im sorry but when i play SWTOR i feel like im playing a movie not an mmo.
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    Hm.

    Firstly: A dude with an English accent is narrating the opening of an American produced game/movie... and he isn't a bad guy. : paradigm shift:

    Secondly: SWTOR Trailer indicates to me the game is nowhere near a sniff of being finished or they would be flaunting it like a neon My Little Pony. This sad tiny clip of whatever was stable enough to run while showing in game models actually doing something means they've got about another year til release. Unless they pull a Warhammer and release it 6 months too early.

    On the positive side, I will prolly buy SWTOR now 'cos it looks mildly interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarmor View Post
    Normally yes, however, SWTOR is about cinematics and storytelling. It's what is to set SWTOR apart from other mmo's. These cinematic trailers do matter as they are in part telling the storyline of SWTOR. The trailers showing off classes and what not, not as important. Gotta say I very much liked the Return trailer.
    That's their opening cinematic and it's awesome. Did you see the ACTUAL gameplay though?
    I think you're setting yourself up for some big disappointment.

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    This is like Sean Hannity giving an unbiased review of Bill O'Reilly's book and rating it a 5/5.

    But I guess a 3/5 is good enough considering you haven't seen much of the real dungeon.

    But 5/5 seems overboard for the same reason.

    Besides:

    [quote=same voiceacting as the last five months) "First part of this video is a lowly miner hitting away at ore in the open fields of Moonshade highlands as the sounds of an approaching storm and thunder breaks in the background.

    The video then cuts to an open presentation of an army...an ARMY! of followers of Akylios marching across the Telaran highlands.

    As the army marches forth, a non-external narrative is presented by what seems to be a General of this army.


    "Arise, my servants. The wards of Hammerknell are shattered. I release you Akylios. Come forth and claim this world!"[/quote]


    How am I supposed to get excited over something I have seen/heard for the last 4 months already in a video except for a few word changes in the script? (That above part)
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    Actually after reading ppl's comments who've played beta I would be fearing another FFXIV rather than WAR (which had content and gameplay but was buggy). I'd like to see BioWare pull it off tho, 'cos have had a high regard for their titles (before the EA meld anyway).
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