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    Default The Best PvP MMO Experience...Ever!

    Need I say Southshore and Tarren Mill in the WoW Classic days?

    200+ vs 200+ to the point were servers would crash. The battle would go on for hours, sometimes 2-3 days. That's real PvP instead of this lackluster junk we see now. My character, a full arcane mage named Dyst, was on the Lothar server. I grabbed High Warlord for just 1 week, but it was good enough.

    This is not an endorsement for WoW, nor is it praising said game. Just a real PvP observation.

    Hey I got a really good question. How the heck do you own a contested zone? Answer is, you don't. You have to love it when million of mindless lemming players believe they can actually win and own these zones on PvP servers. Which only begs the following. Why the heck does any player roll on a pvp server when the developers won't get off their backside and make the contested area fully possess able? So maybe if Trion would do this they could actually retain customers.

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    TM vs SS was ok but people tend to make it out to be somthing special if you was actually there and wasnt level 60 you lasted about 5 seconds before a rogue 1 shot you, if you was level 60 the lag was so intense one second ure casting next your dead, the servers couldnt handle 200+ people in such a small space, ofc they were fun but like most things they had there issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregore View Post
    Need I say Southshore and Tarren Mill in the WoW Classic days?

    200+ vs 200+ to the point were servers would crash. The battle would go on for hours, sometimes 2-3 days. That's real PvP instead of this lackluster junk we see now. My character, a full arcane mage named Dyst, was on the Lothar server. I grabbed High Warlord for just 1 week, but it was good enough.

    This is not an endorsement for WoW, nor is it praising said game. Just a real PvP observation.

    Hey I got a really good question. How the heck do you own a contested zone? Answer is, you don't. You have to love it when million of mindless lemming players believe they can actually win and own these zones on PvP servers. Which only begs the following. Why the heck does any player roll on a pvp server when the developers won't get off their backside and make the contested area fully possess able? So maybe if Trion would do this they could actually retain customers.
    What an utterly pointless, and misguided post. You sir, are fail.

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    Sorry Sir, you dont get rank 13, in a week..
    Honor are updated once a week..

    Quote Originally Posted by Egregore View Post
    Need I say Southshore and Tarren Mill in the WoW Classic days?

    200+ vs 200+ to the point were servers would crash. The battle would go on for hours, sometimes 2-3 days. That's real PvP instead of this lackluster junk we see now. My character, a full arcane mage named Dyst, was on the Lothar server. I grabbed High Warlord for just 1 week, but it was good enough.

    This is not an endorsement for WoW, nor is it praising said game. Just a real PvP observation.

    Hey I got a really good question. How the heck do you own a contested zone? Answer is, you don't. You have to love it when million of mindless lemming players believe they can actually win and own these zones on PvP servers. Which only begs the following. Why the heck does any player roll on a pvp server when the developers won't get off their backside and make the contested area fully possess able? So maybe if Trion would do this they could actually retain customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optiplex View Post
    Sorry Sir, you dont get rank 13, in a week..
    Honor are updated once a week..
    He said he got it for just a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optiplex View Post
    Sorry Sir, you dont get rank 13, in a week..
    Honor are updated once a week..
    He didnt say so either. He said he was R13 for a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregore View Post
    Need I say Southshore and Tarren Mill in the WoW Classic days?

    200+ vs 200+ to the point were servers would crash. The battle would go on for hours, sometimes 2-3 days. That's real PvP instead of this lackluster junk we see now. My character, a full arcane mage named Dyst, was on the Lothar server. I grabbed High Warlord for just 1 week, but it was good enough.

    This is not an endorsement for WoW, nor is it praising said game. Just a real PvP observation.
    If you think WoW is "real pvp" you have never played a true pvp game. Daoc, Warhammer, and even UO were much better pvp games than WoW will ever be. Esp when Daoc and War's basic premise for existence was pvp. You cannot compare a vintage Daoc relic keep raid to anything WoW has to offer in terms of pvp, you just weren't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optiplex View Post
    Sorry Sir, you dont get rank 13, in a week..
    Honor are updated once a week..
    He meant that he only got to wear it for a week. In TBC, though, you could always wear your PvP title, and I did.

    The way the ranks are handed out in Cata (for reaching a rating, and not actually having to work for it), I could have gotten rank 14 in less than a week (I played about 320 games/week, with over 95% wins during my High Warlord grind... until the end, when that wasn't enough and I had to take vacation for the final push).

    If it weren't for Blizzard artificially capping the amount of rating one can get each week, it would be possible to get rank 14 in about 3 days, considering that the "top" player with "Grand Marshal" has played a grand total of only 375 games with 84% wins. Yep, that would have been a week of bad playing for me, too many games lost... I see that quite a few of the players who got the title without actually having to earn it don't wear it. Good job making titles worthless, Blizzard developers.

    And that's why I quit WoW before Cata. I wouldn't be able to stand seeing a bunch of fake rank 14s wearing the same title I actually had to work for.

    I do understand the OP's point of view. I came from an RP server, but we still had some amazing PvP there, both in BGs and in world. There was the epic 40 shamans vs. 40 pallies battle (back in vanilla, it's on youtube)that probably never would have ended, except that the server couldn't keep up. My first PvP experience was when some level 60 decided to attack Crossroads, and at 34, I was the highest level defender. We formed a raid, and attacked her like a swarm of ants to finally drive her out of our beloved town. It was awesome!

    Up until I quit, prior to Cata, there was a guy who put together a group of people on Saturdays, mostly for world PvP (although we would do a couple of BGs, until those queues simply stopped popping). The best was when we would go into Wintergrasp and lose to the alliance so that we could then sit just outside the vault entrance and prevent alliance raids from entering. The QQ from the alliance being unable to do the raid was like music to our ears.

    If any game could offer PvP like we had it in vanilla, I'd be all over it. Unfortunately, Warhammer didn't quite offer the same experience.

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    Here you go OP, a bit of nostalgia for ya'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsPPAwqpO1k

    Quote Originally Posted by Mako482 View Post
    If you think WoW is "real pvp" you have never played a true pvp game. Daoc, Warhammer, and even UO were much better pvp games than WoW will ever be. Esp when Daoc and War's basic premise for existence was pvp. You cannot compare a vintage Daoc relic keep raid to anything WoW has to offer in terms of pvp, you just weren't there.
    SS v TM was special because it was all player-created content, rather than having a set objective it just happened to be where the horde and alliance started seeing each other regularly.

    However the real ultimate MMO PvP is EVE online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heeden View Post
    Here you go OP, a bit of nostalgia for ya'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsPPAwqpO1k



    SS v TM was special because it was all player-created content, rather than having a set objective it just happened to be where the horde and alliance started seeing each other regularly.

    However the real ultimate MMO PvP is EVE online.
    EVE would be the ultimate MMO PvP if it didn't make even the beefiest gaming rigs chug along at 10fps with the graphics on low, camera zoomed out at max range during the large battles. That and the lag...dear God the lag.

    Still, the Southshore vs. Tarren Mill battles represent the end of an age. The days when PvPers didn't need developers to hold their hand and spoon feed them reasons to PVP. You PVP'd over cities you couldn't control because you could, and because it was fun. It's a shame this mindset has been lost to "world PVP objectives" and battlegrounds. EVE, as previously mentioned, is the only current MMO I can think of that supports large scale world PvP. Shame it's so poorly coded that most people can't benefit from how fun it could be.
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    Tarren Mill LOL!

    I'll take shadowbane any day.
    Red ball + fulminate + really craptacular dom/pyro spec trying to hard cast transmog and pray your spell lands before some squirrel punching moron eats your controlled opp proc = +1 board warrior keeping mages from being realistically balanced in PVE or PVP. 1.0-1.2's best combo in the game. RIP FOTM Pyro rollers

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptFailure View Post
    EVE would be the ultimate MMO PvP if it didn't make even the beefiest gaming rigs chug along at 10fps with the graphics on low, camera zoomed out at max range during the large battles. That and the lag...dear God the lag.
    Oh I agree that actually playing EVE is a terrible experience, even without lag and wot-not it's incredibly dull (in my opinion). But when PvP involves whole logistic chains, miners, manufacturors(?), spies, covert ops, raids, mercenaries, alliances, treacheries, the risk of losing ships worth several thousand dollars and even a massive scam that was worth at least $100k...well fantasy MMOs couldn't compete with that unless they implement some sort of perma-death or limb loss.

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    Classic World of Warcraft was the most fun I've ever had playing PvP, particularly WSG and AV. I also think Shadowbane is the game to beat if you're looking for a more comprehensive, campaign-style experience. I wouldn't rate EVE at all... PvP where you have to rebuild your ship after a loss and where numerical superiority is the decisive factor...meh. EVE's tournaments are awesome, too bad you can't play the real game like that.

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    Asheron's Call 2 had some epic siege PvP, but the lack of a level cap and 30 day faction changes meant the power players were constantly in flux and teams were often at disadvantages when key players were offline or in their week of "neutral" status.

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