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    No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

    There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn’t (appear) to handle Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total — 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that is 91.9 million homes. One presumes there’s at least one good child in each.

    Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75˝ million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc.

    This means that Santa’s sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest manmade vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second — a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

    The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN times their normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload — not even counting the weight of the sleigh — to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison — this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

    353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance — this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth’s atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer with absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
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    But we all know that Santa can teleport and change the flow of time

    (In reality Santa is an animal that Finns hunt and sell to people around the world to use as "Father Christmas" )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rewision View Post
    But we all know that Santa can teleport and change the flow of time

    (In reality Santa is an animal that Finns hunt and sell to people around the world to use as "Father Christmas" )
    Ah...right. Forgot to take time warpse into account

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    It's a well known fact that Santa is on the Dev Team and uses Rifts, saving him from the bursting-into-flames problem he had for all these years and finally allowing Rudolph's nose to cool off and return to a normal shade of brown.

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    The problem I have, is the fact that Santa makes his own toys..

    But how is he legally doing this without patent and copyright violations?

    We is my Tax money from all of this?

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    Santa doesn't DO it with science. He uses magic AND he has lots of helpers. Here in Sweden Santa is called TomteFar (Father Tomte).

    Tomte are little guys with white beards and red pointy hats (they look like how most Americans picture Santa's Elves).

    A tomte (Swedish) (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈtɔ̀mːtɛ]) or nisse (Norway and Denmark) (pronounced [ˈněsːɛ]) or tonttu (in Finland) is a mythical creature of Scandinavian folklore.

    For more info on Santa's helpers see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomte
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacDeath View Post
    Santa doesn't DO it with science. He uses magic AND he has lots of helpers. Here in Sweden Santa is called TomteFar (Father Tomte).

    Tomte are little guys with white beards and red pointy hats (they look like how most Americans picture Santa's Elves).

    A tomte (Swedish) (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈtɔ̀mːtɛ]) or nisse (Norway and Denmark) (pronounced [ˈněsːɛ]) or tonttu (in Finland) is a mythical creature of Scandinavian folklore.

    For more info on Santa's helpers see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomte
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    Well obviously Santa is a Hufflepuff.

    - He was the wizard that created the 'depthless' bag charm.
    - Is the Father of all House Elfs
    - Apparates from house to house, or if he thinks he is about to be caught he uses flu powder
    - Was the inventor of the Time-Turner
    - He obviously doesnt fly in a big clunky sleigh pulled by giant horned rodents. Its just a conjured spell to keep those that are up past their bedtime to be distracted while he does his work. (Obviously Voldemort learned that trick from somewhere.
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    right, I forgot he's magic. x.x

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    Did you forgot apartment buildings in which chimneys lead to the boiler?
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    All this talk about Santa is making want to watch Bad Santa.
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    I got all the way to the part about the reindeer bursting into flame with a sonic boom before I broke down into fits of giggles lol. Thanks, that was great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masto View Post
    No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

    There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn’t (appear) to handle Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total — 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that is 91.9 million homes. One presumes there’s at least one good child in each.

    Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75˝ million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc.

    This means that Santa’s sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest manmade vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second — a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

    The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized Lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN times their normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload — not even counting the weight of the sleigh — to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison — this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

    353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance — this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth’s atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer with absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
    I think your numbers are off.

    14.3 Quintillion watts is approximately equal to a 3.4 gigaton explosion every second, which is approximately 227,852 Hiroshimas every second. I believe, if memory serves, that the largest warhead ever detonated only made the 100 megaton mark, give or take a few megatons. So, 14.3 quintillion joules seems very unlikely. Also, the energy imparted upon an object moving through the atmosphere should be related to the cross section and speed, not mass. The mass plays a bigger role in how much the air resistance slows the object, in this case the whole shebang, sled, deer, and Santa. Also, you seem to be calculating this as if the reindeer is part of a rigid structure, and it's weight is the weight of the entire thing, when the truth is, the reindeer are pulling the enormously heavy sleigh, not being pushed along by it. Assuming the reindeer are able to get up to speed, the mass of the sled has little impact on the effects of the air resistance and heating.

    I'd be very curious to see the formula you used for the air resistance calculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistrad View Post

    I'd be very curious to see the formula you used for the air resistance calculations.
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