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    Quote Originally Posted by KurganNazzir View Post
    No; like most games and forums, they put in an extra layer to allow those who wish it to try to hide the profanity that other people purposefully use. This extra protection is easily circumvented, of course, but a profanity filter does not give one free reign to use profanity if it's against the rules (I forget if Rift specifically says no profanity allowed). Keep in mind that it usually takes a conscious effort to type profanity; it's not like hitting your hand with a hammer and blurting out "f***!" or something similar, unless you have some really strange stuff going on with your hands in which case I recommend finding your nearest exorcist (or going on TV and making billions).

    You may not care but my opinion as of right now is to just learn from the experience and move on because all I, and probably others, see right now is someone throwing a tantrum about getting caught breaking rules. It would be one thing if you got muted without cause but, so far, everything, including your own admission, points to you breaking the rules, and possibly doing it multiple times for this action to have been taken if what the other posters say is true.


    It's not abuse of the report function to use it on people who are saying "something bannable"; I mean, that's the whole point of having that report function. Just don't break the rules and you shouldn't have anything to worry about. People who constantly make false reports are the ones who get action taken against them rather than the person they falsely accuse.
    Also, there is NO rules against profanity only insulting OTHERS... http://forums.riftgame.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq
    Closet thing to actual rules I can find, it's the same in game I'd imagine.. There for, this is even MORE absurd, I didn't even break the rules as I wasn't insulting any other person, wasn't making threats, harassing, hate-speech.. So care to re-evaluate your stance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neiali View Post
    Also, there is NO rules against profanity only insulting OTHERS... http://forums.riftgame.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq
    Closet thing to actual rules I can find, it's the same in game I'd imagine.. There for, this is even MORE absurd, I didn't even break the rules as I wasn't insulting any other person, wasn't making threats, harassing, hate-speech.. So care to re-evaluate your stance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurganNazzir View Post
    it usually takes a conscious effort to type profanity
    I actually remember someone talking about Peacock Sunplants in dimension chat and me wondering what's up with the asterisks lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artewig View Post
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    So they have lighter rules on the forum O_o that's something. But, if we go by those rules most people in cross would be banned, you and I both know it.. So again, it seems biased against me. And let's be real here, I wasn't insulting anyone, it was a joke.. It's hardly fair that I get a 72 hour chat ban, while people spout off real hate-speech and are fine.. It's whatever, I suppose I can't expect trion to hold everyone to the same rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laeti View Post
    I actually remember someone talking about Peacock Sunplants in dimension chat and me wondering what's up with the asterisks lol.

    O-O Might I ask what this has to do with this thread? Not meaning to be mean, but it's a pretty serious thing for me. Might not be for you, but you're not the one getting bullied into silence for speech over half the player base uses all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neiali View Post
    First, I'm 19. So I meet most minimal ages, and I don't appricate the insult you slipped in..But I'll keep it polite. Second, you missed the entire point.. The language was only offensive to me, I was the person being insulted.. The words themself mean nothing if not applied to you, it's like saying the word "Die" if it's just said, it's meaningless , if you say it to someone else, it's a threat.. See the difference? Context is king, and in this context what I said wasn't really bad except to myself, and yet I get a 72 hour chat ban.. Yet someone can tell me to off myself, and...Nothing. It's sorta a standard that realize on mob justice, rather then actually being right or wrong, and actually doing something wrong, or just offending people. Offending people isn't a crime, because if that's the case then everyone would be arrested because we offend eachother on everything. So to say "Offensive language" as a reason to justify being banned is : vague, not to mention able to apply to anything, and that would mean everything could be chat banned.. See, it's a slippery slope. What I said didn't fall under hate-speech, or harassment, it wasn't aimed at anyone but myself. Sure, it wasn't in best of taste looking back, but to deserve a 72h ban? Seems a bit harsh for a trashy joke.
    So you use chat to insult yourself. But you're insulting your self in public. Could it be that others don't want to subject to your self abuse. Wouldn't it just be easier to dial it back? You state that you could only be offended by it. But in actually your were reported and action was taken. So someone/persons were offended.

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    Just because you can do a certain thing doesn't men you should do it. Common sense, even if you are directing this at yourself means others are affected by it.
    If i saw someone in public saying a bunch of crap to themselves like that id call 911 and have them bring a padded wagon,
    doesn't affect others? think of a bridge jumper doing what they intended to do, it affects everyone around and not positively.
    extreme examples but seriously they are examples why some behavior isn't acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuuli View Post
    So you use chat to insult yourself. But you're insulting your self in public. Could it be that others don't want to subject to your self abuse. Wouldn't it just be easier to dial it back? You state that you could only be offended by it. But in actually your were reported and action was taken. So someone/persons were offended.
    Sure I'll dial it back, but I better not see 1 swear word , 1 insult, I mean if you're going to hold me to a standard... Might as well hold everyone equally, I suspect half if not more of the game's people would be muted. Yeah, I feel this way.. If you're going to hold one person to a rule, have to hold everyone, so trion should find people using the 'bad words' and ban them all..Or maybe it's just me being held to these rules, tell me you never see any offensive words, comments, jokes, or 'profanity' anywhere in world chat, or private chats... Because that's a lie. It seems the rules are only enforced when a person specificaly targets another, a prime example is faeblight rp rule name that most don't know and those who do know this : if you're a faeblight person without a real name, someone can report with a screenshot and get you to change it to a 'realistic' name. It's another form of targeted abuse, and the argument it's more then one person doesn't make it any less plausible for abuse..People will have their friends help report.. Which is more of the point I've been trying to make, is it's a form of bullying for words commonly used, and unpunished for most.. Do I know if it's unlucky that I got banned, or if it's specific targetting by folks? I can only guess, all I know is the rule doesn't seem to be applied to everyone fairly. Not to mention 72 hours for insulting myself seems extremely harsh right or wrong, there are people who do actual harassment, hate-speech or exploits/cheats that get 24 hour bans.. This entire system is messed up, and seems I'm the only person who sees that, as until it effects you, it's funny and 'justified'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grrrrl View Post
    Just because you can do a certain thing doesn't men you should do it. Common sense, even if you are directing this at yourself means others are affected by it.
    If i saw someone in public saying a bunch of crap to themselves like that id call 911 and have them bring a padded wagon,
    doesn't affect others? think of a bridge jumper doing what they intended to do, it affects everyone around and not positively.
    extreme examples but seriously they are examples why some behavior isn't acceptable.

    Think before you act, be mindful and you will never have issues in the future.
    Except, they were jokes. If you call 911 on a joke at their own expense , you'd be the one going to the loony bin. Funny enough, in America jokes aren't illegal, and what I said was obvious a joke, like without context even, they appear that way. With context, it makes a lot more sense. But people get away with REAL harassment, insulting others, hate-speech, and say the exact same thing I say... But the rules don't apply to them because....Reasons. It's not only a double standard, it's a bit scary to be banned for jokes at my own expense. And even scarier is that people think it's perfectly fine...I guess if someone is offended, the offender deserves the needle, am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laeti View Post
    I actually remember someone talking about Peacock Sunplants in dimension chat and me wondering what's up with the asterisks lol.
    lol, yeah filters are not very smart; or maybe they're too smart because people will try to get around them, and often do, by using other words or adding spaces. LOTRO's hunter has a skill called penetrating shot that gets caught in the filter due to penetrating (or it used to, they may have edit the filter). I had to add an extra 'z' to my name because the naming filter there didn't like 'Nazir', and since I got used to, and known as, 'Nazzir' I just left it alone and never tested it with other games as far as I can recall. There's another one in that game that is pretty funny that I can't think of, some cook's recipe with a word the chat filter didn't like. It can be amusing, albeit annoying for those who keep the filter on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurganNazzir View Post
    lol, yeah filters are not very smart; or maybe they're too smart because people will try to get around them, and often do, by using other words or adding spaces. LOTRO's hunter has a skill called penetrating shot that gets caught in the filter due to penetrating (or it used to, they may have edit the filter). I had to add an extra 'z' to my name because the naming filter there didn't like 'Nazir', and since I got used to, and known as, 'Nazzir' I just left it alone and never tested it with other games as far as I can recall. There's another one in that game that is pretty funny that I can't think of, some cook's recipe with a word the chat filter didn't like. It can be amusing, albeit annoying for those who keep the filter on.
    I didn't do any of that, mine was correctly spelled, as intended. I wasn't by-passing the filter, I was making jokes at my own expense, one of which was a reply to a 'go F*** your mom" joke.. And I got banned, yet others who use exact same language, just fine. Seems the rule ONLY applies to me, if it was equal for everyone I wouldn't see a problem.. I'd find it a bit..can I say moronic? Yeah, I'd find it moronic to censor any type of jokes you don't like, or any word you don't like.. But atleast we'd all be equally as miserable... But no, just applied to me. Surprisingly friends who use way worse didn't know you COULD get chat banned, until I skyped them. But as I said, I can't expect trion to be fair, and hold us all to one standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happysack View Post
    Boxes of Kleenex are only .99 at the dollar store,,, maybe invest in some?
    Sure I need them, after all the people attacking me, while calling me offensive.. Because not in the least bit hypocritical, or anything...And it's defiantly not a provable double-standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neiali View Post
    I didn't do any of that, mine was correctly spelled, as intended. I wasn't by-passing the filter, I was making jokes at my own expense, one of which was a reply to a 'go F*** your mom" joke.. And I got banned, yet others who use exact same language, just fine. Seems the rule ONLY applies to me, if it was equal for everyone I wouldn't see a problem.. I'd find it a bit..can I say moronic? Yeah, I'd find it moronic to censor any type of jokes you don't like, or any word you don't like.. But atleast we'd all be equally as miserable... But no, just applied to me. Surprisingly friends who use way worse didn't know you COULD get chat banned, until I skyped them. But as I said, I can't expect trion to be fair, and hold us all to one standard.
    It was only applied to you because your post was reported. I'd be willing to wager that you were auto-banned so there was no bias.
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    Hey there, time for me to close this thread. some excellent and constructive discussion here, and I thank you all for it.

    Keep in mind that moderation is done on a sliding scale, and that no two cases are alike. If one has already been warned or suspended, then our moderators (in game and forums) will see all past inappropriate behavior recorded, and the tolerance lessens. Kind of like traffic violations. You can go from warning to ticket to suspension to permanent revocation of license... or, in extreme cases, straight to revocation.

    Keep in mind that chat bans in game do not prevent you from playing. When people /report players, it automatically puts them on /ignore as well, so they are already not hearing the person who they felt was disruptive.

    And, as always, if our guidelines or expectations are not to someone's liking, there are many, many other communication forums or games to participate in. We want to keep things comfortable for the 98% of players who never have issues with our expectations.

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