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    Hi, everyone – We’ve dropped a little below our own bar for keeping you up to date on the state of the game, and for that I definitely apologize.

    It’s not out of any desire to not keep you informed, but purely out of how many hours a week that everyone is putting into the builds, features, and updates for Open Beta, Head Start, Launch, and what comes beyond. Not an excuse, just letting you know that’s where every waking moment has been going.

    With that said, we did want to get updates out on a few hot topics that have come up since Beta 6.

    Let’s start with PvP in the shared world.

    Just before Beta 6, we made an anti griefing change that prevented enemy wardstones at hubs and towns from being destroyed by the opposing faction, and significantly boosted guard strength around PvE hubs. We’re pretty happy with how that worked out on the PvE servers.

    In time for Open Beta, we’ve developed the ability to repeal those changes on the PvP servers only, to see if they can remain playable without it. Ideally, it’s our hope that there’s gameplay value in having people being able to band together to attack and defend those areas on PvP servers.

    If you choose to play on a PvP server, it’s our assumption that you not only don’t mind that level of interruption from that PvP attack-and-defense style of gameplay, but are actively excited about taking part in it. If you want uninterrupted PvE questing, choosing a PvE server is definitely recommended.

    On damage tuning from Beta 6

    Beta 6 was the largest test we’ve ever done. We had the largest number of people across more level ranges than ever before playing Rift. As we’re fine tuning NPC damage for launch, we got a lot of feedback (and just as importantly, combat metrics from the servers) on how everyone is performing in different level ranges. Expect further updates to these in Open Beta.

    So far, in our closed testing of the current tuning, things are looking pretty positive. Finding the right balance between “too easy” and “too hard” across this many level ranges and character capacities is a challenge, and we’re looking forward to seeing what people think, and how well they perform, in the next round.

    Raid development strategies, in a world with an entirely new class of content

    One of the things that makes Rift different from other MMOs is that we have this entire class of content that most games don’t – The dynamic content systems that provide us the ability to create invasions, events of all sizes, ancient wardstones, colossi, and rifts. To most everyone here, that’s no big surprise.

    Once you start talking about rifts, you have minor rifts (largely for solo and small group players), major rifts (for group players), expert rifts (for high end players, on par with an expert-level dungeon), and raid rifts.

    Once we’re talking about those rifts at the high end of the game, those give you the ability to lure out specific encounters by picking up specific Lures. It’s that layer of content that we’ve chosen to focus on for our 10-man raid content for starters.

    Most people haven’t experienced this yet in this game or any other, so it can seem as if we’re trying to short the 10-man raids by not doing 10 and 20 man versions of every instance.

    Our intent is actually the opposite: This strategy lets us tailor more raid encounters for 10 mans, and giving people cooler things to do, faster, without either a) unfairly forcing people to stare at the same raid zones twice every week if multiple versions of the same zones are available, or b) forcing someone to choose between two sets of friends, if they can only do a 10 or a 20 of the same zone in a week.

    Both of those are dynamics that have a lot of downside, and we’re trying to avoid things that either force burnout or force wedges between groups of friends. The dynamic content system, and its ability to provide fun content, accessibly, makes a lot of sense as a potential solution to these problems.

    We expect 10 mans to be a pretty huge number of raiders all in all, and we expect to continue creating 10 man content rapidly throughout the live run of the game.

    With 10 man rifts (via Lures), just like with 20 man instances, people can go do them on demand, which is another part of the strategy that might not have been clear. So, please don’t think that we’re throwing 10 man raiders to the wolves. We're actually trying to ensure that both sizes of raiding can flourish.

    As with any of our other development strategies, we’ll be keeping an eye out and seeing how it goes at mass scale, after lots of people have the chance to participate.

    Do know that we’ll respond appropriately, to make sure that we’re always iterating to make the best experience that we possibly can.


    - The RIFT Development Team

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    on pvp changes... GREAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartsman View Post
    If you choose to play on a PvP server, it’s our assumption that you not only don’t mind that level of interruption from that PvP attack-and-defense style of gameplay, but are actively excited about taking part in it. If you want uninterrupted PvE questing, choosing a PvE server is definitely recommended.
    Very glad that Trion is listening to the masses of players who want a truly open PvP system. Hopefully it turns out well in open beta!

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    I think this post is going to result in a lot of people being happy . I'd like to hear more about what the open-world/shared-world pvp options may be post-launch such as expansion of the Ancient Wardstone mechanic and any RVR-style zones that may potentially be in the pipeline even a few months away, as well. I'm glad that you and your team recognize the difference between people wanting to play a PVP server vs. a PVE one: The PVP-server players generally are all for full-on warfare with few restrictions, while PVE-server players prefer to choose when to enter a PVP situation/area. Thanks for the updates!

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    Everything sounds good to me.

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    I am very impressed.
    VERY impressed.

    Did not expect the PVP servers to get back on track, was infact expecting more nerfs to open world pvp as is the trend with every other mmo out there. Very well done if you keep it that way.

    Very good job.
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    Thanks for the update. Keep up the hard work. These changes look awesome!

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    Thanks for the update.

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    Loving all these changes, cant wait to test them out.

    Good job for posting this an keeping us forum trolls happy

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    awww yeaaaa im thrilled now
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    Congrats PVP'ers

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    Finally a word and some hope back.

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    With 10 man rifts (via Lures), just like with 20 man instances, people can go do them on demand, which is another part of the strategy that might not have been clear. So, please don’t think that we’re throwing 10 man raiders to the wolves. We're actually trying to ensure that both sizes of raiding can flourish.

    Ok i feel much better about my preorder now thank you.

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    Thanks Scott! You guys are so good about keeping us informed on changes! I'm a raider by heart and so glad to hear that 10 man raids are in, but it rift form atm. That is definitely better than NOTHING! I kind of like the idea of keeping the 10 mans in a different part of the world because, as you stated, we wont burn out as easy this way. Keep the hard work coming and it will definitely pay off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartsman View Post
    Let’s start with PvP in the shared world.

    Just before Beta 6, we made an anti griefing change that prevented enemy wardstones at hubs and towns from being destroyed by the opposing faction, and significantly boosted guard strength around PvE hubs. We’re pretty happy with how that worked out on the PvE servers.

    In time for Open Beta, we’ve developed the ability to repeal those changes on the PvP servers only, to see if they can remain playable without it. Ideally, it’s our hope that there’s gameplay value in having people being able to band together to attack and defend those areas on PvP servers.

    If you choose to play on a PvP server, it’s our assumption that you not only don’t mind that level of interruption from that PvP attack-and-defense style of gameplay, but are actively excited about taking part in it. If you want uninterrupted PvE questing, choosing a PvE server is definitely recommended.
    w00t time to preorder

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