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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphigeneia View Post
    The stipend is given indirectly, as has been said before -- patrons get a discount on cash-shop
    Actually no, the patron status gives you no indirect stipend. if you spend a lot on top of patron status, then yes you may get the standard $5 stipend, but you have to pay $50 to get it instead of $15.

    The vials are part of the patron benefits, not part of a stipend.

    And there are some things that probably should be free for patrons (bank and bag slots) but arent, and they are per character unlocks. This is why Rift really should have a stipend, or increase patron benefits to include max bag/bank slots and an extra profession slot or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chantryx View Post
    If the cost of the souls is $30, just stop paying for patron status for a couple months, then pick your patron sub back up. That way you won't have to spend any more money for the souls than you would've been spending anyway.
    I dont think anyone in here is really complaining about cost of souls. As far as Im concerned, souls = expansion. Its weird because we are getting them when the expansion is still far away, but the charge for the souls is completely fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chantryx View Post
    If the cost of the souls is $30, just stop paying for patron status for a couple months, then pick your patron sub back up. That way you won't have to spend any more money for the souls than you would've been spending anyway.
    Not about the money, it is how it is being done. Dropped $150 on Archeage (Alpha), $30 for Dayz (Alpha), going to get H1Z1 (Alpha) for $20 when it comes out, and that is just the games in the past 2 months...fantasy football that is a whole anther ball game, about 6 leagues for a minimum of $50 each.

    The money is out there and everyone that does not like how Trion is doing things is not a "freeloader" and they will spend money...they want some value though. Especially, if you have been a loyal customer for years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranov View Post
    Uh, RICs are used for upgrading PvP gear (which isn't even the only way to do it), T1 PvE gear (hardly BiS!) and a few lesser essences (which are nice but hardly required). You can also get them way more easily by just running FT/EE.

    Pretty much every special edition lockbox has had RICs in it. Literally all of them.
    RiCs did not become BiS for PvP until recently and for a lot than you or Trion would like to admit like to PvP to some extent. Again, they said BiS would not be available through credits and it is...now. Yes, they even done that on the PvP side (until recently).

    So, RiCs have been in boxes ( that were not credit only, unlike the Spectral Crates) for PvE and was NOT BiS...which most PvP did not pay attention too anyway. But now, have decided to make these RiCs BiS items for PvP and go against what they said...BiS items would NOT BE AVAILABLE THROUGH CREDITS...

    You need to think about the other side, for once and pretty sure ypou would not like it, if you were the one that was affected...but, human means most don't think about anything that does not effect them and what they care about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galibier View Post
    It makes perfect sense coming from the people who in a pure subscription game would be charging for the expat AND charging you for a sub at the same time.
    would rather pay for the xpac and get all content, guess a definition of CONTENT should be addressed:


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    If you put out a quality product, you will have the customers. Trion choose early on to cater to a small section of the population and evidently had to go f2p. Even now, they still cater to small sections of the population and as a result don't have to the population to do what needs to be fix it or meet a happy median. They are counting of a few ppl to spend lots of money, instead of building a steady income stream (large number of people paying monthly fees) and the cash for ppl to still spend lots of money. all in the way it is implemented.

    Rift is a game that will probably never reach its' full potential...unfortunately...
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    or lordofpain, you could get all the adventuring content for free and CHOOSE to "pay" for the souls IF you WANT them.

    I dont care that much for the souls, so i can miss them entirely and not be locked out from the content. Sounds like a much better deal on the whole then HAVING to pay for the FULL expac.

    Honestly i cant see much fault in Trions reasoning. Sure its more expensive to people who HAVE to have that ONE soul but, going in and with past xpac souls to view, you had to know it was going to be he same way as SL souls.

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    I feel like it would be smarter to drop the whole notion of patron status (since it as seen as a subscription within a F2P) and instead offer the benefits of patron status on an individual basis.

    For example, buying boosts for EXP, etc. that would last a month. Of course make them priced individually. That way people won't be paying $15 for things they may not need, but pay smaller amounts for things they specifically need.

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    Geez people if you are that unhappy with Patron then don't pay for it. Trion isn't "nickel and dime" ing you. You're just cheap and looking for an edge over others to make you feel special.

    Pathetic - If I complained like that to ATT, I'm sure they just drop me for lack of common sense.

    Patron is an optional service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forbin View Post
    Actually no, the patron status gives you no indirect stipend. if you spend a lot on top of patron status, then yes you may get the standard $5 stipend, but you have to pay $50 to get it instead of $15.

    The vials are part of the patron benefits, not part of a stipend.
    The vials you are given every single day as part of your $15 payment are also available on the store, for credits, so you can get them with your patron benefit, or you can pay credits for them.

    Yes, you are indirectly getting credits, as part of your patron status payment. Just because you don't get to choose what you get, or like what you get, doesn't make it false.
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    I would like it if they gave a stipend to patrons... even if it's just like 200 credits per month which isn't a huge amount. Because it's still $15/mo which is a consistent pay cheque, yeah? I would definitely be more inclined to subscribe to it that way, but whatever. _shrug

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    Quote Originally Posted by Practicelap View Post
    Geez people if you are that unhappy with Patron then don't pay for it. Trion isn't "nickel and dime" ing you. You're just cheap and looking for an edge over others to make you feel special.

    Pathetic - If I complained like that to ATT, I'm sure they just drop me for lack of common sense.

    Patron is an optional service.
    Yes and many people have taken this path. Imo I just think from a business perspective Trion screwed up. The f2p side of these games is very much a feast or famine dynamic. The patron side is a steady stream of income. In an effort to be different in f2p and not be called a "money grubbing gated content game that treats f2p people like second class citizens" I think they went to far. From a cost benefit analysis patron does not pay. Heck I think Trion even agrees else they would not have had that 1 year 99 buck deal a month or two ago.

    I am still on Patron simply because I liked the game enough back then that I took advantage of numerous special offers and still have time ticking along from quite sometime ago. When I come close to my renewal time I likely will unsub because the cost/benefit just isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Practicelap View Post
    Geez people if you are that unhappy with Patron then don't pay for it. Trion isn't "nickel and dime" ing you. You're just cheap and looking for an edge over others to make you feel special.

    Pathetic - If I complained like that to ATT, I'm sure they just drop me for lack of common sense.

    Patron is an optional service.
    So the people willing to pay $15 a month are cheap?
    People are seeking to have that optional service offer a fair value. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forbin View Post
    So the people willing to pay $15 a month are cheap?
    People are seeking to have that optional service offer a fair value. Nothing wrong with that.
    Except he's right. You get fair value. You get exactly what is advertised and that is a fair value to many. If it is not worth it to you and you want a credit stipend. simply use the $15 a month to buy credits instead. You will be in the same position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forbin View Post
    So the people willing to pay $15 a month are cheap?
    People are seeking to have that optional service offer a fair value. Nothing wrong with that.
    Plenty of us believe it IS a fair value. There's a difference between "we want to get what we pay for" and "we want shinies that other people can't have because we pay money." This is especially true, since I know plenty of people who spend more in the Rift store than a Patron pays monthly.

    You put money into the game, you're getting something out of it. If you don't feel Patron status is a good value for your dollar, spend the money in other ways. If your whole goal is to support the game, and you don't have anything in the store you want or need, you could simply buy credits and become a credit seller.
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