Account Wide PA and how it could be a Bummer.. Dude

[Shaidar Haran]

Since there is no definitive answer on how this is going to go, all posts are speculative at this time. Including this one.

I think it would be a bummer if I spent a ton of time playing alts and getting the PAs for themselves only to have them over-written by my mage's PAs (almost maxxed.) I've deliberately not maxed my Mage's PAs because he has all the ones he needs filled in with only the crap one like open Major Life Rift ones.

So, I ask Trion please do not waste all the time I spent actually playing the game on 4 different toons getting 700 PAs between 3 toons and 900 on my main.

I'd like to see a PA pool where all 1600 of those PAs are given to the account. Then I can spend those 1600 as I see fit across all 4 of my toons.

The only other PA option that I can think of is that you bump up all my toons to my Main's 900 PAs, which doesn't seem reasonable.

[Nerva3x0]

I would think it would go 1 of 2 ways. 1- pretty much like you mentioned, toonA gets a PA lvl, all max lvl toons on that account get 1 point to spend. or 2- ToonA gets a PA lvl and puts a point into +AP in the Fire tree. And all other toons on the account would get the same node unlocked in the fire tree, giving them +AP or SP depending on class. But, like you said idk and no one aside from Trion really does.

[Europe]

It doesn't make sense for Trion to go that way, because it perpetuates the same problem they're trying to solve. The problem is, "Why should I play that character? I can't do PA on him/her. It would take far too long."

I think Trion wants you to be able to advance your PA score no matter what level 60 char you're playing. That said, they'll have to be on the lookout for sploits and that sort of thing with this approach as well.

[TheSundanceKid]

The problem is, "Why should I play that character? I can't do PA on him/her. It would take far too long."

This is no problem. You play a toon cuz it is fun. You could also state "Why should I play that toon? It would take too long to get the gear on that toon to. I am R50 on this char, so all chars should be R50". Same thing, same crazy statement that makes no sense. Here another one: "Why should I play that toon? It takes too long to get all the achievements. I got them all on my main so all my chars should get them" etc etc.. in the end the question remains why play at all?

People want everything for free (or without any effort) these days. That is the real problem here.

[Rounded]

This is no problem. You play a toon cuz it is fun. You could also state "Why should I play that toon? It would take too long to get the gear on that toon to. I am R50 on this char, so all chars should be R50". Same thing, same crazy statement that makes no sense. Here another one: "Why should I play that toon? It takes too long to get all the achievements. I got them all on my main so all my chars should get them" etc etc.. in the end the question remains why play at all?

People want everything for free (or without any effort) these days. That is the real problem here.

Once again, no one is asking that when 1 character gains X, all charactrers on the account gains X. You're over-simplifying the whole concept.

You have 3 characters; Main, Alt1, Alt2

Main is R50 with 1034 PA levels, Alt1 is R40 with 400 PA, Alt2 is R0 with 0 PA

Come expansion and shared PA, you will not magically get both of the alts to R50 and 1034 PA. You could on the other hand start ranking up Alt2 and spend the PA points you have aquired on Alt1, leaving Alt1 at 301 PA and Alt2 at 0 PA.

[Europe]

This is no problem. You play a toon cuz it is fun. You could also state "Why should I play that toon? It would take too long to get the gear on that toon to. I am R50 on this char, so all chars should be R50". Same thing, same crazy statement that makes no sense. Here another one: "Why should I play that toon? It takes too long to get all the achievements. I got them all on my main so all my chars should get them" etc etc.. in the end the question remains why play at all?

People want everything for free (or without any effort) these days. That is the real problem here.

I think the question you should ask yourself is, "Does everything have to have a prohibitive cost?" Some people want a grind on everything because they can't feel anything positive about their gameplay unless they're gaining all the time.

The flaw in your analogy is that R50 is a core game experience; getting to R50 is fun because PVP is fun. PA is a secondary game experience because grinding is not, nor will it ever be fun. PA only exists to gate other content; it's like arguing in favor of a level cap of 1000 because endless leveling is fun. But it's really not fun for most of us. It would just work as PA does now: when you hit level 1000, you're ready to play the game.

Why should you play when PA is account-wide? Because you like to. Because you can raid and PVP up to R70 or something, and do a new and hopefully better thought out version of Conquest, all of which will be fun. PA, even in its new form, won't be fun; it'll just be less painful.

I play because it's fun. PA was making it less fun.

[Synovia]

Since there is no definitive answer on how this is going to go, all posts are speculative at this time. Including this one.

I think it would be a bummer if I spent a ton of time playing alts and getting the PAs for themselves only to have them over-written by my mage's PAs (almost maxxed.) I've deliberately not maxed my Mage's PAs because he has all the ones he needs filled in with only the crap one like open Major Life Rift ones.

So, I ask Trion please do not waste all the time I spent actually playing the game on 4 different toons getting 700 PAs between 3 toons and 900 on my main.

I'd like to see a PA pool where all 1600 of those PAs are given to the account. Then I can spend those 1600 as I see fit across all 4 of my toons.

The only other PA option that I can think of is that you bump up all my toons to my Main's 900 PAs, which doesn't seem reasonable.

I both sincerely doubt Trion would go the direction of your suggestion and would be very, VERY disappointed if they did.

I don't play any of my 6 other level 50s because the grinds on them are too long, too repetitive and too tedious after having done them on my main. I would like very much to enjoy my alts but having them start from 0 in every regard makes them unplayable for me and, I suspect, for many others.

Trion, PLEASE, do truly account-wide PA where all characters gain access to the PA levels.

[Europe]

Once again, no one is asking that when 1 character gains X, all charactrers on the account gains X. You're over-simplifying the whole concept.

You have 3 characters; Main, Alt1, Alt2

Main is R50 with 1034 PA levels, Alt1 is R40 with 400 PA, Alt2 is R0 with 0 PA

Come expansion and shared PA, you will not magically get both of the alts to R50 and 1034 PA. You could on the other hand start ranking up Alt2 and spend the PA points you have aquired on Alt1, leaving Alt1 at 301 PA and Alt2 at 0 PA.

Like I said, though, this doesn't fix the problem with PA. Your alts still suck, no matter how geared, and you can't raid or PVP with them, at least not with people who take losing seriously.

[Daglar]

Shared pool means that we intend to combine all PA's earned on all of your characters, up to the maximum PA value available.

If you have 50 on character A, 100 on character B, and 250 on character C that is a total of 400 PA to spend per character.

The exp required to gain a level - the bar itself - is intended to be shared across all of your level 50+ characters. The intent is that if you are playing character A and log off at 50% of a level costing 500,000, and you log onto character B, you see the exp bar at 50% through the same level costing 500,000.

~Daglar

[Kharvyn]

Shared pool means that we intend to combine all PA's earned on all of your characters, up to the maximum PA value available.

If you have 50 on character A, 100 on character B, and 250 on character C that is a total of 400 PA to spend per character.

The exp required to gain a level - the bar itself - is intended to be shared across all of your level 50+ characters. The intent is that if you are playing character A and log off at 50% of a level costing 500,000, and you log onto character B, you see the exp bar at 50% through the same level costing 500,000.

~Daglar

Thank you for the clarification. Even if it is exactly what I didn't want to hear. I was OK with allowing players that want to play an Alt add that PA level to their main or vice-versa. I could then choose to give it to the one that actually earned it (kind of an RP thing). Now, I would be unable to do that.

[Shaidar Haran]

Shared pool means that we intend to combine all PA's earned on all of your characters, up to the maximum PA value available.

If you have 50 on character A, 100 on character B, and 250 on character C that is a total of 400 PA to spend per character.

The exp required to gain a level - the bar itself - is intended to be shared across all of your level 50+ characters. The intent is that if you are playing character A and log off at 50% of a level costing 500,000, and you log onto character B, you see the exp bar at 50% through the same level costing 500,000.

~Daglar

Good to know thank you for clarifying.

[Kiika]

Im still confused lol

[millie]

Like I said, though, this doesn't fix the problem with PA. Your alts still suck, no matter how geared, and you can't raid or PVP with them, at least not with people who take losing seriously.

Is this a PvP versus PvE thingy?

Is it the PvE players that are saying earn once spend once is OK?
Is it the PvP players that are saying earn once spend many model is best?

From a lot of the SIGS it seems that way to me.
So I dont like the PvP grind, so favor should be account wide too, and I should be able to spend my favor once for each toon and get all of them R60 gear at the same time.

[vexare]

Shared pool means that we intend to combine all PA's earned on all of your characters, up to the maximum PA value available.

If you have 50 on character A, 100 on character B, and 250 on character C that is a total of 400 PA to spend per character.

The exp required to gain a level - the bar itself - is intended to be shared across all of your level 50+ characters. The intent is that if you are playing character A and log off at 50% of a level costing 500,000, and you log onto character B, you see the exp bar at 50% through the same level costing 500,000.

~Daglar

So basically if you have one toon that is maxxed, all of your other toons will magically be maxed as well. Even more reason for me to sit AFK in meridian until raid time now...

On a side note, can we get T3 released sometime soon? I doubt it will happen before the expansion, or even during it since lvl cap is already being raised. Which means essentially it will be over a year since T2 was released.

[millie]

Shared pool means that we intend to combine all PA's earned on all of your characters, up to the maximum PA value available.

If you have 50 on character A, 100 on character B, and 250 on character C that is a total of 400 PA to spend per character.

The exp required to gain a level - the bar itself - is intended to be shared across all of your level 50+ characters. The intent is that if you are playing character A and log off at 50% of a level costing 500,000, and you log onto character B, you see the exp bar at 50% through the same level costing 500,000.

~Daglar

Speculation ended, thanks Daglar. Earn once spend many it is.