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    Quote Originally Posted by Calsedon View Post
    Well it would all depend of course. I mean if rifts are all over the place in Cataclysm and a main thing, then yeah, maybe. But if it is a small questline, around the lore about how Cataclysm came about and nothing more (Which is my guess) then no I don't compare the 2 at all. But only time will tell. I was just saying the elemental planes have been a factor of WoW's lore since day 1. Fairly significant part too.
    It's not a questline. It's the achievement for the Cataclysm opening event. Which coincidentally falls under dynamic content as well.
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    I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I donít know.
    Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I donít want to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europe View Post
    I was wrong about the questgiver one, but putting in elemental rifts that you have to close is pretty damning. Especially when there's another game that has just introduced their rift system, which involves...closing elemental rifts.

    If you look back, WoW is pretty notorious for trying to absorb features right before a competing product's release. See: the achievement system.
    I do not disagree that World of Warcraft has a lot of features found in previous and current MMORPGs. However, that can be said of a lot of MMORPGs, though they seldom get picked on for it. Is this theft? I suppose it depends on how one defines "theft". To me, it is more about "inspiration", and that may sound like doublespeak, but I believe they are two different things. Others disagree - that is fine.

    At any rate, I do not think Blizzard has ever claimed to have been the original inventor of everything, and have no problem with being the ones that merely implement things in a popular and accessible way.

    The thing about the Warcraft lore, by the way, is that it really is a mix of different themes, and does not take itself too seriously. It is open enough to play with any sort of fantasy cliches the writers wish, which is evident if one actually follows it.

    As for rifts, like I alluded to, I think it is mere coincidence. I honestly do not believe that this game made Blizzard add rifts to theirs. I bet something did, just like something inspired anything added to any game. But, this game is an unlikely candidate due to timing, and how generic the concept of a rift is in fantasy. I have read numerous books about rifts/portals/wormholes/tears that lead to other dimensions/planes/universes/worlds, and they all do it in a fairly similar manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europe View Post
    It's not a questline. It's the achievement for the Cataclysm opening event. Which coincidentally falls under dynamic content as well.
    They are scripted events. Not dynamic. If they are anything about the undead invasion event from a few years ago, the only thing that sniffs of being dynamic is that they randomly spawn places.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegan View Post
    There are a ton of rifts you have to open/close in **** Fire Penninsula.

    Just because someone uses the word rift doesn't mean they are stealing from this game. Blizzard doesn't care about Rift now because the game is still in early development.

    Anyway, it's a common theme. Rifts opening/closing and bad stuff coming out. Nothing to do with this game.
    Burning Legion portals aren't as thematically close as elemental portals of various kinds, IMO.

    Isn't Cata coming out Q4 '10, though? I could see that being close enough for them to worry about Rift's Q1 '11 launch.
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    I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I donít know.
    Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I donít want to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegan View Post
    They are scripted events. Not dynamic. If they are anything about the undead invasion event from a few years ago, the only thing that sniffs of being dynamic is that they randomly spawn places.
    Rifts are scripted events too, just with a different script for each wave. I'm not sure that's a key difference.
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    I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I donít know.
    Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I donít want to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europe View Post
    I was wrong about the questgiver one, but putting in elemental rifts that you have to close is pretty damning. Especially when there's another game that has just introduced their rift system, which involves...closing elemental rifts.

    If you look back, WoW is pretty notorious for trying to absorb features right before a competing product's release. See: the achievement system.
    And the devs of this game said they will and have borrowed ideas from other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evereghalo View Post
    And the devs of this game said they will and have borrowed ideas from other people.
    And there's nothing wrong with WoW doing it either. It's just funny for an established game to do that.
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    I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I donít know.
    Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I donít want to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europe View Post
    Rifts are scripted events too, just with a different script for each wave. I'm not sure that's a key difference.
    They are a little more than that unless the Dev's are lying to us.

    As far as Burning Legion portals. Same thing, let's not get into a lore debate here.


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    I posted this in off topic, and not to be rude but so shouldve you. but since you did let me elaborate a bit on what I see a failed experiment.

    We all know Blizzard is king right now but with the announcements of SW:TOR, TERA, FFXIV and RIFT they are going into over drive trying to lure new customers, but at the deathly expense of their old customers. I know its been said time and time again that the next new MMO is gonna be the WoW Killer, I never said these things of course but over the last 2 months Blizzard and woW has successfully killed WoW Catalysm and turned it into the new Star Wars: NGE experiment. With the culling of the main attraction of the new expansion in Path of the Titans, Guild Talents, and Dumbing down of Archeology announcements, to the infamous failed RealID System of a few weeks ago, plus couple this with the dumbing down of all the talent trees to 31 pt talents and rehashing of old content I feel WoW is now on a downward sprial that will eclipse with the release of the next best MMO, which I forsee that as being RIFT.

    I honsestly think if the Devs and managemenet of Trion World can start a vigorious PR campaign you can become the next WoW or achieve some of their lofty subscription numbers, but you have to start doing a better job at marketing cause I can tell you from my point of view RIFT isnt as well known and regognizable as FFXIV or SW:TOR. My guildies in WoW had no idea of this game but at last count at least 17 of them are dieing in anticapation of FFXIV or SW:TOR yet none of them has heard of RIFT. I can honestly say as things stand now Trion will have my next subscription dollar cause it has all the things I look forward to in a game, the main thing being character animation and fluidity (which is why I could never get into WAR or LotRO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zederok View Post
    I posted this in off topic, and not to be rude but so shouldve you.
    I'm comparing it to Rift. It's perfectly at home here.
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    I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I donít know.
    Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I donít want to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europe View Post
    What elemental rifts? I've been playing since launch.
    The elemental invasions in ungorro/silithus/winterspring/azshara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nullum View Post
    The elemental invasions in ungorro/silithus/winterspring/azshara.
    I never did those (they were a temporary event, weren't they?) so maybe you've got me there.
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    I mean, I guess it would just be a guy who you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or, um, a banana that grabs things. I donít know.
    Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean, those are the kind of questions I donít want to answer.

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    Not saying they are stealing the idea...because it has been done many times, but this is gonna feed the people saying Rift is a WoW clone...since it is coming out before Rift and all

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    Stop getting so bent out of shape. The launch event is a one-time thing.

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    I'm just saying that it will feed the trolls heh...not like the elemental rift idea is new

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