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    Default 4.5 Flamespear Paragon (strong and easy dps)

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    My go on the Paragon

    Enter the full Eagle _freedom_mode. Murica f*ck yeah!

    Don't use the Pure Flame spear version in BoS (It has a problem with raidbuff-scaling) dungeons and pre T1 is fine though. For T1 use the second version.



    Overclocking Flame Spear to tick a couple million times.

    Difficulty: 1/10
    Min/ Max potential: 3/10
    Classification: Dps Funspec

    Recomendet for anything below T2 (Let me try it there myself first) being more potent than Reaver and Tempest. Best used for fragmented fights with alot of running and disconnects (TDEM, TDNM, SPE)

    61 Paragon for Alacrity and Rising Waterfall
    15 RB for Flame Spear and Icy Burst (ofc)
    0 Temp for free 2% dmg and ranged auto attacks

    Very fun and satisfying dps spec with ranged potential and best runspeed in the game

    Buffs: Way of the Wind | Way of the Sun | Avatar of Wind | Storm Blade | Enhanced Conductivity | BodyFocus


    core macro:

    Default 'Spamer'

    #show Rising Waterfall
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Alacrity
    cast Rising Waterfall
    cast Tranquility
    cast Combat Focus
    cast Shifting Blades
    cast Fiery Burst
    cast Icy Burst
    cast Death Touch
    cast Setting Moon
    cast Shock Pulse
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    >Try to preload Alacrity 30 seconds before the pull. Then use Flame Spear and Setting Moon as first and second ability. After that you can 'spam the macro' while having Flame Spear up on your targets.


    >When cleaving: toggle Sweeping Blades, spam your default macro and keep SWAPING TARGETS as Sweeping Blades proccs the Flame Spear on other targets!

    >Use Grasping the Horizon to make your Paragon attacks ranged for 15 seconds to deal with disconnects.

    >Don't hesitate to use Fleet of Foot to keep up with your targets. It has little cooldown and stays up very long.

    Keep up Alacrity all the time.


    WHAT HAPPENS HERE?


    Every second of your attacks is a follow up attack for which you will use Legendary Rising Waterfall.
    This ability hits twice by default. EVERY hit from Legendary Rising Waterfall can procc a 'echoing' swing with a chance of 0.4.
    This means that one use of Rising Waterfall randomly hits between 2- 10+ times (3 on default)
    Your Alacrity Buff makes your next 14 Rising Waterfall abilities hit twice. This doubles all the proccs up to casualy hitting 16+ times (!!)
    Every of your direct (non dot) attacks proccs your mastery Ethereal Strikes.
    Every hit of Rising Waterfall additionaly proccs your Way of the Wind
    All those multihits THEN procc your Legendary Flame Spear. Ingame you may only see a fraction of all the swings going off.

    The downside of Rising Waterfall and all what's dependent of it is, that Paragon is insanely proccheavy. This means that your minimum and maximum dps can be quite different on different tries- as you can see on the breakdowns below (100k difference). Even more rewarding when you get lucky.
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    Advanced:
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    Onebuttonable:
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    ALTERNATIVE version for certain encounter (good on IROTP)



    Difficulty: 2.5/10
    Min/Max potential: 4/10
    Classification: Situational melee spec

    More potential but also more to watch out for.

    Try to stay melee.

    #show Rising Waterfall
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Retaliation
    cast Alacrity
    cast Rising Waterfall
    cast Tranquility
    cast Death Touch
    cast Setting Moon
    cast Shifting Blades
    cast Fiery Burst
    cast Icy Burst
    cast combat Focus
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    Kepp Up Flame spear on any target you are attacking and use a gcd, where rising Waterfall isn't ready.

    Start again with a manual Flame Spear and Setting Moon
    Use Aggressive Block from Paladin once at the start. After that it's buff should be kept up automaticly.

    Legendary Unleashed will make your Retaliation stack up over time - as long as you have a melee target to cast it on frequently. The Retaliation stacks will then autoamtically fire back at anyone and anything that hits you. Click here to see it's potential in another spec. Retaliation that way only really works on Beruhast, General Silgen, Azranel(picture)


    Fanrahel did something with Retaliation aswell but without utilising FS
    http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...agon-61-a.html
    Last edited by Shas; 06-07-2019 at 12:33 PM.

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    Hi.
    this build is old and i play this 3 days after ptch 4.5.
    and your macro is wrong sorry.
    Flammspeer dont work in the spam Macro, becors the cd reducthen.
    flamespeer have senn 2s cd and you yous FS>1s globel cd >RS >1s globel CD>FS
    you dont yous SM and the uther this is DPS lost. and FS have not initzial damge only DOT damge. tack this out of the Macro and all fine.

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    Red face

    1st It's hard to not 'copy' things which can't be found in the forums. There are only that many options to make a 61.
    2nd Good for you that you enjoy Paragon
    3rd The 'onebutton' is ment for people who don't minmax anyway. Going with unleashed and more frequent FS makes it more forgiving on random/ frequent targetswap while reducing the runspeed cooldown - those are the tradeoffs for Legendary Tactics.
    4rd Feel free to leave me links for videos, screenshots or guides etc where you combined FS with Ethereal Strikes and i'll mention you or whoever 'invented it' np. Not the first time that people come days and weeks after release claming whatever there is to claim for themselves.
    I met people mentioning a tempest/ para combination but non of them knew the exact build or who came up with it or how to find an eventual guide. The idea behind posting this was that we once had a onebuttonleecher tempest rolling on an overlord offhand. So rather give those people a more viable spec which actualy utilises 1h weps; and everyone else a chill spec for tdem.


    To the macro: do you really think anyone gives a sh**t about minmaxing a onebutton spec? At this point having FS downtimes is worse than refreshing it early. You may want to test the said macro first before judging since i don't do things without a reason.

    Again: Feel free to link me your 4.5 Paragon guide you shared with the community and stay frosty.




    Quote Originally Posted by Tamaki View Post
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    you dont yous SM and the uther this is DPS lost. and FS have not initzial damge only DOT[...]
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    Looks like initial damage to me buddy and it took me longer to write than to test.
    Last edited by Shas; 04-08-2019 at 08:34 AM.

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    hey just wanted to point out, i played this 2 days after 4.5 so
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    ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post

    WHAT HAPPENS HERE?



    All those multihits THEN procc your Legendary Flame Spear. Ingame you may only see a fraction of all the swings going off.
    Either that part isn't true or Trimigo once again fu cked up their iCD 4.0 changes
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    Quote Originally Posted by keepor View Post
    Either that part isn't true or Trimigo once again fu cked up their iCD 4.0 changes
    i can't tell you an exact number, but more then 2 times a second for sure.
    ethereal strikes is a huge boost for flame spear (well... flame spear is useless without it)

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    ok time for some numbers:
    a 2min parse should have around 312 swings of flame spear (dot ticks + 2procs every second), in reality i have 838 swings

    fun fact: if you apply flame spear it immediately ticks 3 times

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    Ethereal Strikes counts as attack and in result proccs leggy Flame Spear. It does less than the other masteries and doe not take effect on the Retaliation procc. But with Flame spear it's a gain overall.

    My Flame spear default crit is 10k -12k and- if i remember right, proccs 3.5mil+ times in a couple mins while staying 7-9% total dmg.

    Sweeping Blades also Proccs it when upping kept up on several aoe targets.

    May not invented the wheel - but glad to bring it back into Tempest dominated civilisation.

    Next to address is the eternal uptime and raid scaling.

    -> I could swear, in January, Retaliation procced Ethereal Strikes.



    Quote Originally Posted by keepor View Post
    Either that part isn't true [...]
    Why shouldn't it be true ^^ How do you come up with a sentence like that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrikdawin View Post
    hey just wanted to point out, i played this 2 days after 4.5 so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrikdawin View Post
    ok time for some numbers:
    a 2min parse should have around 312 swings of flame spear (dot ticks + 2procs every second), in reality i have 838 swings
    fun fact: if you apply flame spear it immediately ticks 3 times
    4.5 Flamespear Paragon (strong and easy dps)-2019-04-08_184134.jpg
    Refreshing early is a loss and really only for the tab-target-onebutton.
    Last edited by Shas; 04-08-2019 at 08:45 AM.

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    Vor Wort. Ich schreibe mit Absicht auf Deutsch.
    Für die die es nicht verstehen übersetzt es euch.

    Ich beanspruche keine rechte oder sonst was auf das build.

    Und ich weiß ja nicht wo ihr alle so Rum lauft aber die Krieger die ich sehe spielen Rissklinge oder Paragorn.

    Und da diese skillung dps mäßig direkt nach der Rissklinge kommt lohnt es sich sehr wohl diese zu optimieren. Aber das ist wohl Ansichtssache.

    Wenn ich wieder vorm PC bin werde ich mal mein Macro nachträglich hier rein editieren.

    Und mit dem habe ich die besten Ergebnisse erzielt.
    Und da ich diese skillung schon min nen halbs Jahr Spiele habe ich auch schon alles erdenkliche durch probiert.

    und hier das macro:

    #zeigen Monduntergang
    makrofehlerunterdrücken
    cast [inaktiv] Umgedrehter Spieß
    cancelbuff Lebende Energie
    cast Steigender Wasserfall
    cast Ruhigstellung
    cast Todesberührung
    cast Monduntergang
    cast Kampffokus
    cast Wandernde Klingen
    cast Feuerexplosion
    cast Eisexplosion
    cast Eilfertigkeit
    cast Willensschild
    cast @self Kraftmanipulation
    cast Erneuernde Kapsel
    cast Versteinerte Ranken-Rune
    cast Archaische Tafel
    cast Abgründiger Kristall
    cast Seelenkristall
    cast Befreiung
    cast Schwindendes Licht
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    Happy for the results. I play Paragon 5 button myself if i do. The 'not minmaxing' was about the onebutton. Some numbers about Retaliation/ more frequent Rising Waterfall vs leggy Icy Burst ticks proccing Flame Spear might be interesting to see, duno what proccs it better at this point.

    -> St dps ranking

    RBr > RBt > WL > s&dWL > FSRetaPara > Mini14 > Tempest > Reaver > Chantion

    Don't forget to add a parse with stats + Skilltree; tx and much love.
    Last edited by Shas; 04-09-2019 at 07:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post

    -> St dps ranking

    RBr > RBt > WL > s&dWL > FSRetaPara > Mini14 > Tempest > Reaver > Chantion
    .
    what mysterious specs are the marked ones?

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    Stand&Deliver Warlord and the other is Mini14 which is the first Para with 14 Flamespear

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    oh ok cleavelord and some early access paragon

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    Cleavelord? sounds like Cleeveland. Is that name official? May need to have a talk with those guys parents holy ****.

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    well it's just what it is, a cleaving warlord, warcleave would also be possible. But i like cleavelord

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