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    Cool OVERCLOCKING Warrior

    OVERCLOCKING Paladin and Liberator-warladin_shas.jpg
    A series where we take Warrior apart and maximise the usage of one or more abilities.

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    OVERCLOCKING Paladin and Liberator-paladin_01.jpg
    1) Oc Pala

    We are going to increase the voltage on Paladin by a larger bit to work on the performance without running too hot and risk 'fixing'.
    -> A fun tank with insane bonus on taken healing (selfheal)

    Your build: https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...aBh0/VmA2|Ps_M
    (For max healing go 4 into Uplifting Words instead of Well Honored Blades)

    61 Paladin for a tankspec with alot of taken healing-bonus and Healing-on-taken-hit-procc
    11 Tempest for Jolt
    4 Warchanter for Deep Breaths and another hot

    legendaries:

    pala
    Protector's Fury
    Light's Balm
    optional Paladin:
    #1-> Shield of Defense: Trading control over the CD for saving very quick multihits on a laging server(irotp last boss)/ afk palying it. It only reduces it's default 1 min cd to 30 sec after getting procced tho.
    #2-> Retaliation: More passive damage and Aggro.
    #3-> Pacifying Strike: for protecting the raid a little.
    Tempest
    Skyfall as a very strong aoe ability hitting a target, it's surrounding targets and mobs between you and the target. Pretty much no limits in the number of targets hit.
    Warchanter
    I'm With You! Most effective way to gain Attackpoints with it's 3 points on a 1sec gcd for Skyfall which can be used as an odd cleric hammer that way - also the 50% bonus on a Stand Tall!- buffed targets remains as legendary. (thanks Hendrik)

    Masteries:

    61 - ENDOURING SOURVIVAL different from other classes the warrior version gets eternal boosted
    62 - STEADFAST SOUL you crit alot and it's responsible for the fun in this build
    63 - RUNNERS TRAINING guard range and you run alot outside of fights
    64 - PRECISION STRIKES makes your Jolts overlap for a 100% uptime
    65 - POWER VARIATION nice ranged aoe damage

    Steadfast Souls seems to get Eternal Boosted which means somone elses heals on you recieve your 42k bonus. needs further testing

    pros:
    + Once you are starved and buffen you can afk tank
    + Good aoe damage potential
    + 600k-1mil (dry) 1mil-1.5mil (raid, without spaming Balm all the time) 2.5+mil (overclocked) selfheal/ second which is basically 2 permanent soulstreams on you
    + 99% of the cases no Tankheal needed
    + The more enemies attacking you the more heal proccs
    + Healers healing you have UP TO a 100% hps gain'
    + Alot of passive hots ticking very high
    + Benefits alot from the defensive Reliquiar (20% taken heal for x seconds)
    + Different from other Tankspecs your Warrior's Guardbuff (Shield of the Hero/ Accord of Resilliance from VK) don't reduce your Healing done. Deactivate it in RR and on certain bosses for even more Damage with Skyfall.
    + Most of the selfheal is passive while doing something else
    -> Aoe crystal for more damage, St healing crystal for max output (you need the st healing crystal for it to overclock)

    cons:
    - Not as resilliant as going VK offsoul
    - Best to spam aoe abilities on singletarget
    - When wiping in T1 and lower you have to manually unclick buffs
    - A little improved but still warrior-style wacky ranged aggro
    - Selfheal-low on a slow atacking st engagement
    - Starve your power to start overclocking so prespam before pull - Just like a normal Healer- and keep spamming like a Chanter
    - Needs to get attacked for most mechanics
    - Not free to play

    odds:
    ~one days heals hit so much more harder than others that nobody knows where the number difference comes from (3mil Vampiric wtf)
    ~Selfheal get rather Eternal- than gearboosted (besides the crystal)
    ~performance seems nerfed drastically in bos

    Rotation

    Use Pacifying Strike and Light's Benediction (one point is enough) in T2 to reduce taken damage by 3% and 7% for 15 seconds

    Use Macro #1 in Melee

    Use Macro #2 in gap phases or for others (2nd Tank)

    Use Sweeping strike and 'Shild of Light offgcd's' for reliable aggro (Lights balm alone without getting attacked already may not do it)

    Since this is more of a yolo spec i won't get much into detail.

    Macros

    #1

    Code:
    #show Ligh's Decree
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self Light's Balm
    cast Light's Reprisal
    cast Retaliation
    cast Light's Vengeance
    cast Jolt
    cast @self Stand Tall!
    #2 May combine that with a manual Judgment to get Protector's Fury take over

    Code:
    #show Sweeping Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Sweeping Strike
    cast Light's Reprisal
    cast Retaliation
    cast Light's Vengeance
    cast Jolt
    cast @self Stand Tall!
    You can make an alternative with cast Stand Tall! being applied to the attacked player

    #3 Stand tall increases taken heal from I'm with You! by 50% but may causes a little delay. Don't hesitate to bind I'm with you! separate. I'm using the exact same on Tempest-Riftblade.

    use your @self toggle for self- 'spam'

    Code:
    #show Stand Tall!
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Stand Tall!
    cast I'm with you!
    cast Jolt
    #4 nice to have, barely used
    Code:
    #Show Power Variation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self Power Variation
    -> Million ticks are fun but rather focus on frequent ticks. The second the Eternal resets and needs to get starved again the direct healing from Light's Balm comes a little short! Prepare to may pop Aegis of the Light when you have ALOT on you since the Balm's ticks may won't tick as high as your hp anymore (1-2 secs)

    In RR on the 4 Rhino adds with alot of trash it's usually 2mil hps and 1.5mil dps


    Liberator
    Working with the same mechanics - extremely powerful in combination with oc lib (18mil hps)
    http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...liberator.html


    SPECIAL THANKS

    to Ezrabby@Typhiria convcing me to post it and the great responses to the Rogue bofors in general. Also the people who trusted me to test Oc Pala in Raids. Jay for figuring out flaws in the presentation. Fougère for the main OC banner.

    Have fun trying and let me know about your experience!
    This is not too much in depth - see this as an expansion pack
    Last edited by Shas; 03-17-2019 at 08:31 AM. Reason: forgot about Liberation Treatment, changed I'm with you!

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    nice builds, i already use variations of them myself (liberator without tempest so i can stack all hots on the tank, less output in general but more tankheal) and when i made the tank i already forgot Jolt existed, so thanks for reminding me^^
    the st heal crystal boosts Extraordinary Care, in my case:
    - AOE -> 90178 shield 22524 health
    - ST -> 90339 shield 23074 health
    so not a very big deal and sadly the eternal proc only boosts healing.
    maybe (because its still trion and trion does random stuff*) Positive Reaction gets boosted by eternal proc/ST crystal, since it counts as a st heal (back in NT it healed the second boss in mount sharax, thats why i think it is treated as a ST heal)

    *well at least it got implemented by trion

    edit* they changed legendary I'm with you! so it gets the 50% boost, so you can now use it lossless, that means more attackpoint -> more skyfall -> more DAMAGE! ^^

    edit2* Steadfast Soul, the english client says you get this buff, when you GET HIT by a critical damaging ability and just to be sure i tested it, it does not proc if YOU land a critical hit with an ability. maybe this is a pvp only talent?
    and since thats the case you can use Soul Regeneration and can use Pacifying Strike for ST range aggro management (which is more than enough to keep the aggro against any healer/dd)

    edit3* for min-/maxing purposes you might want to make a own macro for all you hots so they don't go of during the small windows of eternal downtime (during those windows you can just spam I'm with! to get the proc back in no time)
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    Thanks alot for the numbers!

    The Jolt was an attempt to replace @self Prolonged Recovery since it gets absolutely shreddet from the eternal quickly ticking 1mil+, and increase the eternal frequency due to its 20 power cost every 6 seconds. It makes up for alot of passive healing points spent. Also you usually run a Liberator when you have alot of people running through alot of fire which brought up the idea to rather focus on quick ticks and shielding.

    sure you can run a safe lib with 6 bestmaster and pacifying strike but if your heals take a second to tick people die in your hands.

    Does Extraordinary care benefit from Steadfast soul? bc in that case it may become a cast @focus Extraordinary Care to increase it's chance to boost a crit on a warr and rogtank eventho im not sure how Extraordinary care hot behaves on a 100% crit the shield surely will.
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    Very cool stuff, can't wait to try it out.

    As far as having to unclick buffs for a wipe. Just make a macro with the following line...

    /cast last resort

    It'll autokill you instantly.
    Last edited by Skiye; 01-04-2019 at 07:36 AM.
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    I fear it heals through it and breaks it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiye View Post
    Very cool stuff, can't wait to try it out.
    After seeing some people trying it please be sure to keep starving. Some may took the 'afk' joke a littlebit too serious. The oc Pala aswell as the Lib are based on Jolt and Stand Tall! being refreshed frequently while the eternal bonus is up which results in a couple hundret % tick difference (see IMG 1) 'Stromstoß' min hit vs average hit). Also cast@self Ligh's Balm stacks up with the procced one. Furthermore please don't forget to run the single target healing Crystal as default.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrikdawin View Post

    edit3* for min-/maxing purposes you might want to make a own macro for all you hots so they don't go of during the small windows of eternal downtime (during those windows you can just spam I'm with! to get the proc back in no time)
    Good point. When using this on a single target encounter that's the better way to go since replacing Light's Balm with I'm with you! for 35 more power used in 3 seconds - still keep in mind that Jolt and Stand Tall! only have 6 and 4 seconds cooldown while costing 20 power each. Actively Starving takes 3-4 seconds then while your Light's Balm proccs do raw healing. ST and LB greatly help in speeding up this Process so having a starve button should inclue I'm with you! Jolt and Stand Tall! - since the active Eternal boosts Vampiric Essence and Enduring Survival aswell,- starving is key
    Last edited by Shas; 01-09-2019 at 05:22 AM.

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    Thank u shas i love it <3

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    Default Forging a new bos meta (if there is even an audience for it)


    Alphatesting a Liberator build utilising the knowledge gathered from the previous two specs. Missing an encounter this week where people take enough damage for it to show off better. If the math is right it may result in a 10mil hps Liberator ->setup<-. Primarily using this weeks warr id for something else. Should be good for shipping next week. Also tinkering at bos 2/3 strat for more convenience.

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    Default No luck with this one

    I'm clearly doing something wrong, but I don't know what.

    When OTing Isiel, I used macro #1 when I had aggro and macro #2 otherwise. DPS never topped 250k and HPS never more than 75k.

    What am I missing?

    Edit: This is with the Pally tank spec...sorry.
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    Indeed i experience something compareable. Just after finishing a default RR @3mil selfheal i cheerfully charged in and got all the bos trash i could find dumping on around 300k selfheal. As if some magic in bos limits extraordinary crits when they differ too much from the base damage (remember the old vulcanists). Im on research what may cause it and which mechanics get effected.

    Keep in mind that the oc P exceeds in getting attacked rapidly. St encounter or afk Ot ing is not the strongpoint of it. First you may want to have a look at if a healer has doubble/ or at least 1mil hps more when you are on oc P since that's the case on anything pre T2. (pushing a dungeongeared Bard to 2mil overhealing)

    Plus as i mentioned on the oc pala~odds the numbers are more than wild sometimes in how much they differ between encounter. Since the oc boosts all teh numbers exponentialy every slight difference on the base dmg/ healing explodes- or not) Afking Tdnm and it's trash is still fine so far as tested lately.

    Happy to to take a look at your breakdowns. If something hits below 100k there surely is something wrong.

    -> Just get to tank a RR and develop a feel of the eternal uptime and the nouances on how much damage you take/ selfheal. This is not a 61 Justicar where you spam a hammer and Salvation will tick for x healing. I see it more like a racecar with manual shift but once you find the sweetspot it runs like a clockwork.

    //You brought me to the idea to get a video working which may help alot in picking it up-
    Last edited by Shas; 01-25-2019 at 05:56 PM.

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    Thanks Shas. Two things...first, I grossly misunderstood the point of the spec. I was thinking it was a do-everything spec with high dps. I now understand that it's uber-tank heals, but little else. I'm fine with that, now knowing what to expect.

    Secondly, do you think there's a tweak that might allow splash heals for raid healing? Enough to cover SPEs and/or TDez?

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    In RR it's exactly this do-everything. and it can be like that in other encounters but for that you need to have a little feel for the gas pedal sicne- as i said the numbers vary from time to time.

    To load more and more carry onto yourself go 61 liberator with a warlord taunt. yes im serious - with that you can offtank Azrael or Tarjula nm (missing the potential of oc lib tho). If you want a Justicar-like spec i came up with that one, never played it myself tho

    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...BkAG8/!7g|Ps_M

    Keep up Liberation Treatment on 2 targets - direct heal people with I'm with you!. top up people (beligosh blast, council pillar) with Deliverance. Use the st healing crystal. Apply Stand tall! to 2 people (closest to Tarjula) while the eternal is active.

    Another approach is to let the dps specs do the healing. Riftblade Tempest has some brutal selfheals and direct healing potential. 2 geared RBT's are enough to heal titanx. With that you can also solo Spe's on T1 gear which means you can tank/ + heal /+ dps carry spes on Riftblade. Be sure to have fork deactive when using I'm with you! on people since it seems to lowers the output and use the aoe stun as defensive cooldown. One eternal boosted I'm with you! usualy is enough to top someone up (just as on oc lib) and killing trash fast is a good way to avoid dmg.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-20_164607.jpg
    back then when i still had plat

    This is the bread and butter one for all on warr (may go 3 into Difficult Target) you may were looking for.
    Nuff to solo the tuath de coven for the offhand on 35k ap
    Last edited by Shas; 01-26-2019 at 09:34 PM.

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    Thanks for the guides, looking forward to try them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    If the math is right it may result in a 10mil hps Liberator ->setup<-. Primarily using this weeks warr id for something else. Should be good for shipping next week.
    lolz

    Latest impressions:
    Again you need to get the 'overclocking' flowing. Once it flows, it flows and lib and pala become crackheads of hps.

    Khea @ oc Lib
    Migmi @ default Lib
    Revited @ Bard
    Hierosolyma @ oc pala
    Beanz @ dps ele

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-03_014316.jpg

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-03_014514.jpg

    oc pala is all about taken heal - that even the smallest bit of healing turns into a million tick.
    Atm i am testing what damage and what not proccs Light's balm.

    oc libs taken heal is a miracle for the shared excess from warden and may bring it back on the table.
    Last edited by Shas; 02-10-2019 at 02:00 PM.

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