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    Been awhile since I did any guides.

    Enough of the sentimental ****.

    61RV 8Temp 7Para

    Opener (might not be optimal, still working out kinks)
    Flesh Rot > Necrotic Wounds > Soul Sickness > DIre Blow

    Raid CDs should be up, now normal rotation
    Explosive Infestation > Shadow of Dread > Ravaging Strike > Dire Blow
    Viral Stream >>>> Dire Blow
    Infestation > Ravaging Strike > Dire Blow
    Ravaging Strike x3 > Dire Blow


    For 2 targets that are near eachother, toggle Plague Bringer on. Same rotation, just manually apply Dire Corruption to the second target manually every 36sec. Use a Ravaging GCD to apply it.

    For AoE, I've found it best to make sure that you apply one of your infestations then shadow of dread. Swap targets, apply Dire corruption, spam Rancid Cleave/Desecrating Blow. Every 15 sec you'll find a new target in the pile that DOES NOT have DC on it, and apply an infestation > SoD tab to a new target apply DC. For AoE, it is a marginal gain to use Planar Variation, between SoD/DC cooldowns. Can weave in Viral if 5 or less targets.

    Not much else to it. Don't be afraid to use your interrupt while channeling Viral Stream. Can just ravaging to get back into rotation. Not a huge DPS loss.

    Parsing similar to Para without major CDs, easy rotation, no disconnect issues, no movement issues. Target swapping not a huge issue, but can be a pain.

    I probably should post parses, since I ran it on every boss in 10man and 4/5 ms tonight, but my gear =/= your gear. Suffice it to say, I've beaten all my best parses with this. Enjoy.
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    edit timer swap wrong 61 master, use resonating strikes.
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    Might be a silly question, but, why in the world would you want to put paragon (for the RW I am assuming) which is melee specific, into a class that is now completely ranged? Not only is it ranged, but it has a very simple rotation that puts out amazing DPS both ST and AoE without the need for changing said rotation.

    I personally have found that 61 Reaver/10 Tempest/5 Champion not only gives you more damage output then the 8/7 variant, but also allows you to stay at range at all times and still hit your peak dps. Maybe just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatJuan View Post
    Maybe just me?
    Just you. 8/7 gives the highest tooltips for builders which is Reaver's main source of dps. Going into Paragon =! going for the melee abilities, it's to grab all the low-hanging passive-dps-fruit it has to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatJuan View Post
    Might be a silly question, but, why in the world would you want to put paragon (for the RW I am assuming) which is melee specific, into a class that is now completely ranged? Not only is it ranged, but it has a very simple rotation that puts out amazing DPS both ST and AoE without the need for changing said rotation.

    I personally have found that 61 Reaver/10 Tempest/5 Champion not only gives you more damage output then the 8/7 variant, but also allows you to stay at range at all times and still hit your peak dps. Maybe just me?
    I tested that spec as well, 8/7 was a net gain.
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    Probably worth adding macros if it's a Guide.

    Macro 1:
    #show Explosive Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Explosive Infestation
    cast Shadow of Dread
    cast Ravaging Strike
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    Macro 2:
    #show Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Infestation
    cast Ravaging Strike

    Also need Viral Stream alone and Dire Blow alone.

    Repeating cycle is:
    Macro 1 x 3, Dire Blow
    VS, Dire Blow
    Macro 2 x 2, Dire Blow
    Macro 2 x 3, Dire Blow (or Ravaging Strike alone on a key x 3, Dire Blow, same thing).

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    Questions:

    When does the boost of the supports add into our DoTs?
    When they are applied to the target or when they deal damage?
    When does the boost of the supports count for Infestation?
    When it's applied or when it deals damage?

    Our Supporter start their boost on the 4 second mark. Right now my opener is:
    PM pre pull
    RS - RS - RS - DB
    PM - ExIn - SoD ... rotation as known

    Did anyone tried Brutal Strike from BM for a melee/range combination?
    Is Rising Waterfall a gain on melee?

    RIght now reaver is nice.. but seriously WAY to easy to play.. If anyone ever told "a monkey can play tempest and paragon", now even "bread can play reaver".

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    Quote Originally Posted by esc2heaven View Post
    Questions:

    When does the boost of the supports add into our DoTs?
    When they are applied to the target or when they deal damage?
    When does the boost of the supports count for Infestation?
    When it's applied or when it deals damage?
    On application. Infestations are counted as DoT and every DoT have their damage calculated on application and not on tick basis. The only exception is when the target gain damage reduction which reduce damage as it comes rather than the damage the spell actually do. Which is why a DoT can hit full force at the start, get reduced by a damage reduction buff and goes back to it's full force once the buff runs out.

    Quote Originally Posted by esc2heaven View Post
    Our Supporter start their boost on the 4 second mark. Right now my opener is:
    PM pre pull
    RS - RS - RS - DB
    PM - ExIn - SoD ... rotation as known
    Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the starting rotation for when support abilities are used early is:
    Flesh Rot - Necrotic Wounds - Soul Sickness - Dire Blow (Support CDs should go off at this point)
    Explosive Infestation - Shadow of Dread - Ravaging Strike - Dire Blow
    Viral Stream - Dire Blow
    Infestation - Ravaging Strike - Dire Blow

    Now that I look at it, that's the same as the OP posted.

    Did anyone tried Brutal Strike from BM for a melee/range combination?
    Is Rising Waterfall a gain on melee?
    It's a major lost of DPS.


    Now a question of my own since I'm not home to test it, does Explosive Infestation agro the mobs on use or only when it explode? ( la Tyranny of Death or la Countdown?)
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    Thx for your answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snap View Post
    Now a question of my own since I'm not home to test it, does Explosive Infestation agro the mobs on use or only when it explode? ( la Tyranny of Death or la Countdown?)
    yes it aggros instant and puts yout into fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xentex View Post
    Probably worth adding macros if it's a Guide.

    Macro 1:
    #show Explosive Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Explosive Infestation
    cast Shadow of Dread
    cast Ravaging Strike
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    Macro 2:
    #show Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Infestation
    cast Ravaging Strike

    Also need Viral Stream alone and Dire Blow alone.

    Repeating cycle is:
    Macro 1 x 3, Dire Blow
    VS, Dire Blow
    Macro 2 x 2, Dire Blow
    Macro 2 x 3, Dire Blow (or Ravaging Strike alone on a key x 3, Dire Blow, same thing).
    Macros aren't really needed, and I use different macros than that for a very specific reason. That's why I didn't include them.

    Also ravaging strike is very weak without DoTs and Fester up. The initial ticks from your dots *should* be slightly better, if your raid's CDs come earlier, so Flesh Rot > Necrotic > DIre Blow, then start rotation. If they come later, your raid leader needs to talk to your support and get that **** in order.

    As stated earlier, DoTs calculate dmg in two ways, when you cast them, and when they deal damage. So if you have a 10% dmg increase rolling from a support buff, it will hit 10% harder, if the mob has wild growth, for the duration of that debuff, your dot will hit harder, but only while that debuff is active.

    Infestation dmg is calculated the same way. Active buffs on you when you cast, debuffs/buff on the target when it explodes.
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    I have 0 clue if this is ideal. I didn't even know about Fester 24 hours ago, but this wat i b doing w/macros:

    ST DPS:

    Macro 1:

    #show explosive Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self power manipulation
    cast Explosive Infestation
    cast shadow of dread
    cast ravaging strike

    Spam Macro:

    #show infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast infestation
    cast Ravaging Strike
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    EX > SoD > RS > DB
    VS > DB
    IF > RS > DB
    RS > RS > RS > DB

    [ Macro 1 x 3, Finisher, VS, Finisher, Macro 2 x2, Finisher, Macro 2 x 3, Finisher (repeat) ]

    2+ Adjacent Targets:

    Macro 1:

    #show explosive Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self power manipulation
    cast Explosive Infestation
    cast shadow of dread
    cast rancid cleave

    Spam Macro:

    #show infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast infestation
    cast rancid cleave
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    DC Macro:

    #show dire corruption
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @focus dire corruption
    cast dire corruption
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    EX > SoD > DC (cast on off target) > DeB
    VS > DeB
    IF > RC > DeB
    RC > RC > RC > DeB

    [ Macro 1 x 2, Macro 3 x 1, Finisher, VS, Finisher, Macro 2 x2, Finisher, Macro 2 x 3, Finisher (repeat & substitute DC in place of RC every 36 seconds - I use a kalert to track DC) ]

    ^ The rotation is similar to the ST rotation with the added twist of throwing in a DC on the off target every 36 seconds in place of a RC

    Double Dotting

    Macro 1 (same as above):

    #show explosive Infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self power manipulation
    cast Explosive Infestation
    cast shadow of dread
    cast ravaging strike

    Spam Macro (same as above):

    #show infestation
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast infestation
    cast Ravaging Strike
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    DC Macro (same as above)

    #show dire corruption
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @focus dire corruption
    cast dire corruption
    cast @self Power Manipulation

    DoT Macro

    #show flesh rot
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self power manipulation
    cast @focus flesh rot
    cast @focus necrotic wounds
    cast @focus soul sickness
    cast flesh rot
    cast necrotic wounds
    cast soul sickness

    Red is on Focus (off target)

    EX > SoD > RS* > DB
    VS > DB
    IF > RS* > DB
    FR > NW > SS > DB

    [ Macro 1 x 3*, Finisher, VS, Finisher, Macro 2 x2*, Finisher, DoT Macro x 3, Finisher]

    * substitute DC Macro in place of a RS (on off-target) if it is not already applied
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    I don't find Reaver and macros to mix very well. The extent of mine are 2 @focus, FR/NW/SS and PM with Ravaging. I find a lot of abilities to be more situational than they really let on.

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    Is it better to open with FR NW SS over using SoD straight up ?
    With infestation in the second block, the opening dps is pretty high.
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    So i been testing some builds out and i came up with this idea of what if 85-95% of all my dots and damaging abilities were critical hits. So im runing 58 reaver-16 paragon-2 tempest and got flowing strikes for constant critics and it works amazing. I know that losing the burst from vireal stream every 30 seconds matters but the critic on all spreaded dots and abilities pays off. What u guys think

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyFuntimes View Post
    So i been testing some builds out and i came up with this idea of what if 85-95% of all my dots and damaging abilities were critical hits. So im runing 58 reaver-16 paragon-2 tempest and got flowing strikes for constant critics and it works amazing. I know that losing the burst from vireal stream every 30 seconds matters but the critic on all spreaded dots and abilities pays off. What u guys think
    every 21 sec.
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