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    Default 61 WL" The WarMaster" (2.3 Dps/PVE)

    The 61 WarMaster (2.3 Dps/PVE)
    By Seppy - Warrior of Wipe Inc - Zaviel

    "AS OF 2.4 SPEC IS NOT PROVIDING THE NUMBERS IT USED TO DUE TO WL CRYSTAL FIX. RIP."



    Table of contents:

    Chapter 1. Introduction
    Chapter 2. The spec
    Chapter 3. The Macros
    Chapter 4. The "rotation"
    Chapter 5. Numbers
    Chapter 6. Upsides & Downsides
    Chapter 7. History/Credits



    Chapter1. Introduction

    This build came up from Thag (Thagster) who is playing around warlord some months now and it currently provides some sick numbers. Paragon went to the kinda "casual"
    style of playing so if you want a challenge, this is it. 61 Warlord with Riftblade and Beastmaster. Plenty of dots, 15 sec buffs and 1 minute buffs.
    Note: It has not tested for leveling/pvp/solo purposes. Also AOE is minimal.
    Here we go..


    Chapter2. The spec

    61warlord/ 9 Riftblade/ 6 Beastmaster
    http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#5g8/8kGGGGGGliGg/2gJ

    The 2 sub souls are used for 2 main reasons:

    A) Beastmaster is mandatory and it takes advantage of Vicious blow and Brutal Strike which both hit 2 times, boosting even more then WL crystal. So they are used over empower strike and breaking blow. With the Swiftness buff, BM becomes viable in this build.
    5points-> Swiftness
    1 point-> Vicious blow

    B) As a 3rd soul, you need a low point energy saving soul which is Champion or Riftblade. Riftblade provides better dps (for me at least) so thats what im using.
    2 points -> Surging energy (you need max energy savings)
    2 points -> Elemental empowerment


    Chapter3. The Macros

    Spam macro:
    #show King of the Hill
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast King of the Hill
    cast Decisive strike
    cast Piercing Thrust cast Arterial Strike
    cast Backhand
    cast A quick Death
    cast Vicious Blow

    Finisher macro:
    #show Killing Field
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Killing field
    cast Brutal Strike

    Flamespear macro:
    #show Flamespear
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Arterial Strike
    cast Flamespear
    cast Empowering Strike

    Own key:
    Into the breach, empower strike, breaking blow, battle surge, tactical surge, Mark of Inevitability.


    Chapter4. The "rotation"

    Its not min maxed at all and for now its 90% priority rotation with some helpful small things. All in all you have to keep up:

    1) 5 dots in order to maximize Vicious blow and Brutal strike dmg, which are:
    a) 3 dots from cutting slash( stacks up to 3 times)
    b) Arterial strike
    c) Flamespear

    2) Empower strike ( =Strength of Arms for 15 sec)

    3) Breaking Blow (=Shatter for 12 sec)

    4) 2 Surges, battle and tactical which both last 1 minute.
    After all those are up its time to spam ur spam macro and finisher macro.

    Opener:
    Start with 3 attack points by switching to Paragon (Combat focus) or Tempest.

    Tactical Surge
    Charge > Cutting Slash > Cutting Slash > Battle Surge
    Empower Strike>Arterial Strike > Flamespear > Breaking Blow
    Cutting slash> spam macro> spam macro> finisher macro


    Main rotation:
    Spam macro x3 > Finisher Macro

    How to re apply all those buffs?
    1) Use Cutting Slash whenever its about to fall off in between the spam macro
    2) Arterial is alwayz up since its spammed BUT, when Flame spear is about to fall off start with 0 attack points and use
    Flamespear macro x3 >Breaking blow


    By applying Cutting slash when its about to fall off and with the small cycle above, ur 5 dots and empower/breaking blow are all up.

    What about Surges?

    Re apply surges as finishers by using them instead of Finisher macro. NOT breaking blow. Flamespear (+Arterial), Empower strike and Breking blow must be like a chain all together.


    Important Notes:

    A) We have alot of reactives, and the GCD is 1 sec, so be careful with ur finishers. If you hited a 4th builder, dont be pissed off. Hit ur finisher and keep mashing that Spam macro.

    B) As i said, its not min maxed but the Flame, Empower strike and Breaking blow line up pretty good.

    C) refresh Cutting Slash at 1 sec be4 falls off to be sure!


    Chapter5. Numbers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOg1Z...ature=youtu.be

    Self buffed, no consumables just Fervor.

    Gear
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/9l2t.jpg/


    Chapter6. Upsides & Downsides

    The problems that build has are plenty and thats why its questionable if its raid viable or not.
    Poor Swapping target: You need to apply 3 stacks of CS and also Breaking blow to the new target, which makes swaping target pretty slow.
    Poor disconnect: appart from flamespear, you have 0 ranged skills to help you when you need to get out for X amount of time. Oh w8...Icy burst..lol.
    Poor AOE. appart from some WL skills. havent bothered at all, AE its minimal.

    Energy starving. That has been fixed as of last hotfix. With LE or fervor up, there wont be any energy problems.

    On the other hand, you hit like a fkin truck. You are a true warrior. If paragon seems fast hitting and big numbers, you havent tried Warmaster. I heard like 10-12 critical strikes in a row from my headphones. The game's critical strike sound cannot compete with how fast those criticals are coming.

    Some say "it is a dummy spec", "it will get nerfed", "it is not raid viable". Maybe it is, but looking at ur meter 20.5k spikes only self buffed, its fun. And thats all about, having fun with RIFT and terrorize the other callings ^^.


    Chapter7. History/Credits

    Credits:
    Thag

    History:
    04/08 - > Chapter 3 , A quick Death added in the spam macro
    16/08 - > Chapter 4 , Opener has been changed.
    16/08 - > Chapter 6, Energy problems solved.
    16/08 - >Chapter 5, Parse video added +Gear.


    Have fun with parses and kills!

    P.S According to feeback, alot things will be updated sooner or later.
    Last edited by seppy; 09-17-2013 at 11:16 PM.
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    Looks great to me, thanks for the effort bro

    I'll post my own numbers when I get a bard to VoJ for me - I'll wait for Gery actually, this spec makes him super mad hurr


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    Quote Originally Posted by seppy View Post
    Some say "it is a dummy spec", "it will get nerfed", "it is not raid viable". Maybe it is, but looking at ur meter 20.5k spikes only self buffed, its fun. And thats all about, having fun with RIFT and terrorize the other callings ^^.
    At the very least, it definitely looks like it could be pretty fun. I'll be saving this to try out as my Warrior hits 60. I'll even try it out and see how it works for leveling, since you're unable to test it. It probably won't work well, but you know people will ask.

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    what fight do you run this on? i cant see where this would beat out para because of disconnects

    thanks for the write up too guys.

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    Could probably slap "A Quick Death" between Backhand and Vicious Blow, yar?



    First time on the dummy with this spec, crit RNG is in line with my tooltip rate. Can easily break 20k with a bit of practice and tinkering. Think this is the third time we've had a WLol spec similar to this.
    Last edited by Pines; 07-29-2013 at 05:01 PM.
    what is this I don't even

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pines View Post
    Could probably slap "A Quick Death" between Backhand and Vicious Blow, yar?



    First time on the dummy with this spec, crit RNG is in line with my tooltip rate. Can easily break 20k with a bit of practice and tinkering. Think this is the third time we've had a WLol spec similar to this.
    A Quick Death is a DPS loss because Vicious Blow hits harder than it at 5 Dot Stacks, not worth it.


    Good write up Seppy, only thing I'd point out would be the Mark of Inevitability not existing in the 9 RB variant LOL.

    It's exactly as Seppy says, there's almost no feasible way to make a rotation out of this spec. I personally felt like a Warrior playing this spec, but it is a Warlol spec, and I hadn't looked at Warlord since 1.11 when we had to ChargeLOL for maximum DPS until now.

    There are very few fights you can probably use this spec on, and unless it is far above Paragon to account for the disconnects, I can't see myself using this (upsetting after I came to that conclusion from testing). WTB Warlord Range abilities/Range Arterial Strike OP? LOL

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    wl crystal double dips on vicious and brutal, adding 400 to both tooltip values, which in effect makes the crystal add 2400 damage to each of those 2 attacks. In addition to that, the crystal also double dips on cutting slash, and savage sweep, adding 400 to both the initial attack as well as the total bleed value.

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    Nice guide.

    In case you didn't already know : trinkets that lay dots on your target ( like the Spectral Hand ) also count for Brutal Strike ( each stack counts for 1 dot ), so if you have one of these, you technically don't even need flamespear.

    I had been messing a bit with a para/bm subspec since hotfix#10 (the crits), it's damn fun but it starves so quickly it makes me sad...
    Last edited by Choco59; 07-29-2013 at 09:31 PM.

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    This might be around to stay.

    I parsed as a Shaman on PTS against a WL (with slightly more optimal rotation) and we were sitting at about the same dps. On the other hand, I beat para by 2-3k. The WL didn't have VoJ or Fervor so might have parsed a bit higher. I think the WL was starved at about the 2 minute mark.

    Seems like the top st melee specs are pretty close to being in line with each other - WL, Shaman, Harb, (no idea for rogue).

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    This is alot of fun playing this spec, will take time to adjust to its dot management, but it is parse atleast 2-3k higher on dummies for me. Think i had 1 parse of 17k so it will take time but it isn't a cookie cuter spec =D, brings a challenge and fun aspect to being melee again. not just a 3 button spam rotation like paragon/riftblade/tempest/champion have become.

    Great guide Seppy

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    Nice guide Sepp!

    I've tried a little bit with this specc too and I came to this Startrotation. The idea is to take the ogcd abilities out of the spam macro to prevent you from getting 4 Attack Points between 2 Finishers. They both got 6 Sec CD so you have no Problems with it:

    (3AP): (Battle Surge+Piercing)
    Cutting - Cutting - Cutting - (Tactical Surge+Arterial)
    Empowering - Flamespear - (Breaking+Piercing)
    King o'the Hill - Decisive - (Killing Fieldl+Piercing)

    With Decisive you reset the CD of Piercing Thrust so you can us it 2 times in a row.
    Then going on like usual by reapplying dots and every other things.

    Every 30 Sec you get Decisive again. I try to use it after i used another Piercing to get an advantage of Decisive.
    My Macros:
    Spam:
    Code:
    #show King of the Hill
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast King of the Hill
    cast Vicious Blow
    cast Into the Breach
    Finisher:
    Code:
    #show Killing Field
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Killing Field
    cast Brutal Strike
    OGCD:
    Code:
    #show Piercing Thrust
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Piercing Thrust
    cast Arterial Strike
    Own keys: Battle Surge, Tactical Surge, Flamespear, Empowering, Decisive, Breaking, Cutting
    Last edited by therealAUa; 07-30-2013 at 05:42 AM.

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    in the Single Target rotation, is Killing Field a Dps gain or loss... if multiple mobs then gain of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xamani View Post
    in the Single Target rotation, is Killing Field a Dps gain or loss... if multiple mobs then gain of course
    Dps gain

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    Mind you, on Salvarola, you'd need to loose killing fields from macro if intended to use there.
    This is crazy good dps on ST fights, although takes some training with the crazy speed of the spec

    Managed 20.5k dps on DRR boss ST no adds, with no min/maxing and mouse clicking macro's/abilities , so potential is lots higher if executed correct. No use of Flamespear either since i have empowered spectral hand.

    Nice build Thagster, gonna try on next reset to see where it goes compared to Para in raid setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attillaa View Post
    This might be around to stay.

    I parsed as a Shaman on PTS against a WL (with slightly more optimal rotation) and we were sitting at about the same dps. On the other hand, I beat para by 2-3k. The WL didn't have VoJ or Fervor so might have parsed a bit higher. I think the WL was starved at about the 2 minute mark.

    Seems like the top st melee specs are pretty close to being in line with each other - WL, Shaman, Harb, (no idea for rogue).
    HA! 2 minutes, good one. 40 secs. 45 tops without fevore and VoJ. Otherwise it's a 61wl, 8champ, 7RB. Which is a completely different story when it comes to it's dps.

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