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    Default 2.2 [Hotfix 8][PVE] 61 Paragon small guide

    -Inspired a bit from a post from Mio
    -my 1st guide(?)
    -thnx to Kilion and Pines for the older versions

    61 PARAGON 13 RIFTBLADE 2 TEMPEST (15k+dps)

    A) Points: paragon= obvious
    riftblade= 5 Flux/2 Surging/ 3 Empowerment /1 fb/ 2 Scald
    tempest= 2 amped

    B) rotation:

    Well,its not perfect, but close enuf to parse high, very high. In my mind, have it divided into 2 cycles. "Burst" and "proc" cycle.

    Opening (whatever the ap at this point): SP>Charge>(rw)>SLI
    Procs:SM>OtS>SB
    FS>RW(1st proc)>RH(2nd proc)
    DT (3rd proc)>RW> FB

    Bursts: SP>RW>IB
    SS>RW>IB <-------------Here you can refresh SLI when close to drop or use FULL Flurry
    SS>RW>IB

    Procs: SM>OtS>SB
    FS>RW(1st proc)>RH(2nd proc)
    CF>RH (3rd proc)
    SP>RW>FB

    Bursts: SS>RW>IB<------------Here you can refresh SLI when its close to fall off or use full flurry
    SS>RW>IB
    SS>RW>IB
    ..
    repeat procs>bursts>procs>bursts

    Notes:
    1. I parsed with fervor and still, starvation is there,so use full flurry. DPS will go a bit down, but will rise again when u start spaming these buttons with 100 energy again.

    2. Use flurry only when: FB is up, FS is up, SP is up and ofc when SB is on cd. We need SB up 100% of time.

    3. Flaws and rest: SP falling off when DT(proc)>RW>FB.


    C) Gear: 3004 ap/ 874CP/ 2150 crit/ 2x 1 handers 259.8 dps/ PA 705 /STR 2413.

    obviously the more CP, the better.

    D) Video of the some parse.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bZzT...ature=youtu.be

    Any thoughts would be much appreciated,laters!

    p.s didnt add any macros/keybinds no time. maybe later.
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    I tweeked your rotation a little to suite me but it's pretty much your rotation. Pine's is working on this as well and since he's much better at this **** than me I'm sure he'll tweek it further and for an increase. I took FB and threw it into the rotation so that IB can get scald attached for more dps. Preliminary parses I was at 15k before I messed up a little, I'm a button spammer what can I say . The rotation flows pretty damn smooth as well. It does need Flurry on CD in my opinion even if you have LE/Fervor going. VoJ will help things but I highly suggest you just use Flurry on CD when able. Interrupt duty on bosses like Matriarch may not be an option because if you need to interrupt during a Flurry your energy is going to suffer so the spec may need to just be satisfied with backup interrupts. Rotation is below.

    I broke it down into two parts just like you did. Start with 3ap, however you get to that before you start the rotation is on you.

    SLI>SM>OtS>SB>FS>RW>CF*RH>SP>RW>IB>SS>RW>IB (x4)...Part one
    SM>OtS>SB>FS>RW>IB>DT>RW (SP falls off here usually)>IB>SP>RW>IB>Flurry...Part two

    - Doing Flurry to 3AP may have OtS fall off for about 1.5s so it's on you whether or not you want to clip Flurry. Basically you use Flurry after you use DT for the SB proc and bring SP back up.

    - It may look like FB/IB would eat the tick of SB but, due to the oGCD and delayed hit nature of RB finishers, both RH and DT take the tick of SB. I'm trying to figure out a way to get a bigger hit on the third SB proc after I do CF*RH but as of now SP takes the third one. You could further extend the rotation, I suppose, if you did an interrupt to trigger RW/FB at that point but I'm not a huge fan of doing that along with this variation already being power hungry enough as is.

    - I didn't put in where to refresh SLI at because it flexes as time goes on, but it's usually around when you do the SS>RW>IB (x4), so you'd jsut replace an IB with SLI and keep on trucking. If it comes to be that you need to refresh SLI at another time it takes priority over the others.

    - I'm not posting macros just yet because I'm still tweeking and people have their own flavor anyway.

    - Finally, all these parses were done on a dummy, so they need a field testing in raid which I will be doing in EE tonight for Matriarch and Gorloch....possibly Kain as well.
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    Here's what are warriors are using in 61 Para/9 RB/6 Temp

    SLI
    sm > ots > sb
    fs > rw > rh
    CF + rh
    sp > rw > fb
    ss > rw > ib X3

    sm > ots > sb
    dt > rw > rh
    sp > rw > flinching+rw > fb
    flurry > ib

    sm > ots > sb
    fs > rw > rh
    CF + rh
    sp > rw > fb
    ss > rw > ib X3

    sm > ots > sb
    dt > rw > rh
    sp > rw > flinching+rw > fb
    flurry > SLI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justirawr View Post
    Here's what are warriors are using in 61 Para/9 RB/6 Temp

    SLI
    sm > ots > sb
    fs > rw > rh
    CF + rh
    sp > rw > fb
    ss > rw > ib X3

    sm > ots > sb
    dt > rw > rh
    sp > rw > flinching+rw > fb
    flurry > ib

    sm > ots > sb
    fs > rw > rh
    CF + rh
    sp > rw > fb
    ss > rw > ib X3

    sm > ots > sb
    dt > rw > rh
    sp > rw > flinching+rw > fb
    flurry > SLI
    Fs doesnt flow good with this. Also 9/6= 1/2 surging= less energy= flurry on CD= less dps

    ill see how it goes with fliching tho
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    i mean, i dont think a flat 60 sec rotation can get the max dps of paragon. SLi and flurry should be used, depending the situations. SLI refresh when is "safe" (even 10 sec be4 falls off) and Flurry when ene is 10-20. With some good rng(surging), u could end doing flurry (if used with flat 60 sec) with 30-50 ene which is dps loss.

    paragon needs 110% focus atm, fast paced, monitor karuul, monitor energy, semi priority skills, fast gcd, and then add the mechanics of the fight.

    p.s later ill post some macro's, ACT parse, and the build, for the 1st post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seppy View Post
    paragon needs 110% focus atm, fast paced, monitor karuul, monitor energy, semi priority skills, fast gcd, and then add the mechanics of the fight..
    This is why we will all be sticking to RB. Paragon is not needed, and in its current state unwanted.
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    since i cannot edit:

    Links
    ->build http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#2gG4/3kllayGGGli/Vq
    ->gear http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...412171956.jpg/
    -> 14.887k ACT parse http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...aragon132.png/

    Macros

    i just run
    #show Fiery Burst
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Fiery Burst
    cast Icy Burst

    and
    #show Final Blessing
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Final Blessing
    cast Rising Waterfall

    rest own keys, ofc there are many macros out there. they just dont suit me.(if needed i can post my keybinds, but prolly wont help).
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    Below is a parse on Matriarch while I was using Paragon with my above posted rotation. It's only 2:47 long because we wiped and I think the dps could have been higher but I messed up a few times. I came in at 21k, not sure if I got a crystal, on that parse before the wipe and the few other times I ran it on Matriarch last night I was hovering around 20k until I said screw it. The variation plays EXTREMELY fast and is quite tedious. Paragon needs some tweeks but i jsut don't feel like throwing out the suggestions atm because I'm still gonna do more testing.

    2.2 [Hotfix 8][PVE] 61 Paragon small guide-2013-04-11_222345.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by seppy View Post
    since i cannot edit:

    Links
    ->build http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#2gG4/3kllayGGGli/Vq
    ->gear http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...412171956.jpg/
    -> 14.887k ACT parse http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...aragon132.png/

    Macros

    i just run
    #show Fiery Burst
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Fiery Burst
    cast Icy Burst

    and
    #show Final Blessing
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Final Blessing
    cast Rising Waterfall

    rest own keys, ofc there are many macros out there. they just dont suit me.(if needed i can post my keybinds, but prolly wont help).
    the ACT parse is with NO consumables (no pots no whetstones no everything) and on live dimension.
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    Parse on PTS using a more efficient version of the rotation Justiwar posted. Basically instead of doing (SB>DT>RW>RH) I did (SB>FS>RW>IB>DT). It allowed SP to not fall off as long and DT still got the SB proc. I was only using RH once and that was during the (SB>FS>RW>RH) before CF*RH. I messed up a little towards the end so it dropped down 19.4k instead of the 19.8k it was out right before I stopped. I did max out my T3 PA before doing this parse so the stats are a little inflated from what I have on live. Good rotation that your guys came up with though Justi, it flows rather nice and stuff only falls off after flurry when I have to get the stuff going again.

    2.2 [Hotfix 8][PVE] 61 Paragon small guide-2013-04-13_015101.jpg

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    there if u guys like big numbers. pts-live gear-whetstones (21.1k rift meter)

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    same as the previous (10/5 1/2surging by mistake i had on pts^^) but with some flich
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    And he discovers that scald is a dps loss!

    Goal!

    Forgot to say those are some incredible crit percentages on those parses, I jelly.
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    and lastly 61/13/2 witch fliching there we go 21.5k dps

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/132flich.png/

    10/5 and 13/2 are close, but in this parse... well.. scald..paragon is awsome

    13/2 has less flurry hits= at the end more dps

    all in all 13/2 and 11 (2/2surging)/4 can be very very close
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    As a former mage the complexity and attention required for this spec pleases me.

    Nice to see a spec that rewards good players in a class other than mage for once

    Edit: To seppy doesn't macroing Final Blessing cause macro lag. Last I checked macroing HP dependent abilities generated significant macro lag?
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