Val's Rising Waterfall Macro Guide for 38/26/2 (2 Hand)

[Valthirus]

How do you handle weaponmaster procs? Do you use powerstrike again anyway? Or you just spam FB?

When I first hit SLI I try to build 3 AP as quick as possible and get it off. After that I go back and forth between my PS and RW macro (trying to get as many RW as possible). At about 0 seconds left on the first Fiery Burst tick I use Fiery Burst again and reapply it.

[Valthirus]

With all oGCDs in macro...

http://s1195.photobucket.com/albums/...rrent=1241.png

[Kruunch]

I am getting my oGCDs out of the way right after my RW. Think of it this way... Hit Power Strike Macro -> Hit RW Macro -> (Hit Power Strike Macro) oGCDs -> Power Strike.

But you're still running into the same problem (whichever order you want to hit your oGCDs in) ... In your example:

0:00.0 - You hit your PS macro ... RW lights up (so you don't hit the PS macro again to cast Bash) ...

0:01.5 - You hit your RW macro and crit (making Frenzied Strike available) ...

0:02.0 - Now you hit your PS macro ... RW does not light up due to Frenzied Strike going off (assuming you hit this macro before the GCD is finished from your RW macro) ...

0:02.5 - Because you're super diligent you know you haven't used your interrupt yet so you hit your PS macro again to cast Bash which you crit with activating Frenzied Strike (but it's still on cool down) ...

0:03.0 - You hit your PS macro again and RW lights up ...

0:03.5 - You have 3 APs now ... you hit your finisher (SLI) killing the RW proc ... and you get an added AP from Weapons Master (from the PS before) ...

0:04.5 - You hit your PS macro again and crit AND Weapon Master procs again ... now you have RW light up, 3 APs and Frenzied Strike is active again (but still on cool down) ...

0:05.0 - You hit your finisher macro (FB this time) ... killing off RW ...

0:06.0 - You hit your PS macro again ... RW lights up ...

0:06.5 - You hit your RW Macro and crit activating Frenzied Strike (which is still on cool down) ...

0:07.5 - You hit your PS macro and RW lights up and you have 3 APs ...

0:08.0 - Now your last two finishers are still ticking (SLI and FB) and Frenzied Strike just came off cool down AND RW is lit up (but the GCD hasn't come around yet) ... AHHHRGGGGG!!!!

And you're saying you do this cleanly through every rotation of a 5+ minute fight WHILE moving in and out of fire, dodging bombs, interrupting (if on interrupt duty), getting knocked back, etc .... ?

[Kruunch]

With all oGCDs in macro...

http://s1195.photobucket.com/albums/...rrent=1241.png

While doing it with these ... ?

1520 with Bard Buffs/Tablets/Self Buffs.
http://s1195.photobucket.com/albums/...rent=15200.png

My self buffed crit is really bad, but here's a parse with hunter's pursuit... With Spotters (150), Weaponstone (200), and Archon Buffs (50-100) I should be good for around 1900-2050 on Plut.

You lost 300 DPS?

I'm willing to bet that you'd break even on a real fight (one of the reasons dummy parses can be a bit misleading) due to the details I laid out above.

NOTE: Mind that I'm not criticizing or doubting you ... just laying out my experiences with separating macros. Player skill here is a definite factor as I know Rizaz has similar macros with VERY tight rotations to achieve the parses that he does and that's one of the reasons I can never match his parses (even on the dummy) with the same gear, builds, etc ... Some players are just that much more on the ball then I am. I guess my question to you (all of you reading this) is this something you can all do or is this something only a very small percentage of you can pull off effectively?

[Valthirus]

WM makes this pretty tough to explain.

I'll just fraps my rotation.

[Valthirus]

1m snip of a 1446 3m parse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dZjRH_c5w0

[Valthirus]

If possible can I edit my OP?

[NJoyTheSilence]

Last Parse of the night. Everything the same.. I double checked if anyone was armour debuffing... Just used codex trinket.

http://s1195.photobucket.com/albums/...rrent=1464.png

And no, I didn't use the armour debuff, Rizaz. :P

Youra beast man, the highest i got was 1350 with this build. Your crit and ap are both higher. I am using crippler of the tides. If your doing this with hunters your a champ.

[NJoyTheSilence]

**** man i do not know where i am going wrong, our crit is about the same, and your ap is 100 higher. I can only do 1300... even with a perfect rotation i do not see myself doin 150 more dps, and i know wthtat 100 ap is not giving that much of a boost. I been beating on the dummy for like 4 hours non stop, and I am starting to think i am just tired.

[NJoyTheSilence]

I actually compared numbers to numbers and your crit is 20 higher, and your AP is 180 higher, maybe 180 ap really does pump **** up that much. I know somethin is up cause i do roughly the same dps with a spam macro as without.

[Vaelfear]

May be a dumb question, but is it possible to write RW into the macro more than once for more fires?

[Meno]

I'm doing 200-250 more dps with BM/champ. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. It might be I'm not 100% perfect with the rotation but im not sure how I can reach these 1400's when I'm only at 1150. I'm using the GP shovel, with 560 AP/920 crit unbuffed.

[Tyren]

I really suck at using this build I think. I ended up making a RW/Powerstrike only macro, and use that for my main spam and then hit an cooldown macro anytime something else has popped, finally gotten the rotation down to where I'm hitting 1k, so better then my DW build at least.

I like that it has halfway decent AOE and ranged capabilities (if you swap weapons with your ranged macro) so I don't feel the need to switch builds between boss fights and trash.

My gear is considerably worse then you guys though, 425ap/606crit, a horrible mix of t1/t2/crafted/low pvp gear.

[lameboi]

dummy parse =\= real fight
especially with anything with a semi complicated rotation. (except beastmaster, as that doesn't rely on procs and what not)

the rw rotations were always a lil lol and my parses in 1.1/1.2 were all done from 1/2 macros, never caring too much about procs and instead just worrying about fight mechanics

[Hokonoso]

**** man i do not know where i am going wrong, our crit is about the same, and your ap is 100 higher. I can only do 1300... even with a perfect rotation i do not see myself doin 150 more dps, and i know wthtat 100 ap is not giving that much of a boost. I been beating on the dummy for like 4 hours non stop, and I am starting to think i am just tired.

you underestimate AP :P

100AP = 200 crit, so if you have same crit and 100 less ap you are losing TONS of stats behind him making his gear MUCH better, can def see 100ap being the diff of 200dps at this gear range. remember even for warriors, once crit rating gets to 900 then 1 ap becomes better than 2 crit, of course now with crit capping at 1100ish rating it gets even worse.