DPS Mathcraft - How damage works

[Talamare]

how Damage works

Weapons are Normalized to 2.75 (1H) and 3.8 (2H) attack speed

1 Attack Power = 0.15 Damage
% damage increases affect the amount of damage you gain per 1 Attack Power, Affects the base damage of a skill and Affects the Base damage of the weapon

% damage increases stack addictively

Calculating how much damage you gain per 1 AP is simple
0.15 * (Total % of damage increase)

IE
0.15 * [1+ 0.40 (2H Spec) + 0.18 (Deadly Strikes) + 0.08 (Soldiers Bearing)] = 1 AP = 0.249 damage


Calculating Total Damage
(Normalized Weapon DPS + [AP * 0.15] + Skill Damage) * Total Damage % Increase = Damage Done

Crits
Damage Done * (1.5 + Crit damage increase)

Data can be found in (look past the first page)
http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...aft-STR-vs-DEX

[Nastharl]

Any idea how the damage works for DWing weapons?

[Talamare]

Any idea how the damage works for DWing weapons?

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Forgot to check that

Ill do it tomorrow, but my guess is that the 2nd weapon is nothing more than a stat stick

[Nastharl]

And in the case of the paragon ones that say strikes w/ 2 weapon type junk...

[Bandage]

I would highly recommend testing Backhanded Blow from the Beastmaster tree while dual wielding. Pay close attention to the combat log. The results may surprise you.

Come to think of it, I should've tested that with a 2h as well... oh well, I suppose I'll blame my desperate eagerness for *something* in the game to acknowledge you're wielding two weapons. If BB is doing what I think it's doing while DW'ing, it'd be a nice addition to every other ability. Yes, subsequent number tweaks would be vital. But it'd be nice for the OH's damage and speed to matter at least somewhat.

Other than that, it's just the common-sense approach, 44 points in Paragon with no TotFR, swap out an uber OH for a gray low level OH and see if the difference in damage is comparable to, or exceeds, the stat loss given the previous math.

Sadly, I think it will be comparable. But BB... maybe there's hope (setting aside the fact that it's still "broken.")

[Cirian]

To be clear, this effectively means, that if you want to know how much DPS you will gain from 1 point of AP, you need to perform a reasonable length parse of your typical rotation, find out how many swings cumulative between all abilities occur on average in a second, and then take that value and multiply it by0.15 * (Total % of damage increase), is that correct?

Do we know how this affects bleeds? Is the damage added per tick or just once to the entire ability so that the added damage is 0.15 * (Total % of damage increase)/( # of ticks )?

Do we know whether the 0.15 * (Total % of damage increase) formula works on all varieties of abilities? Say the attacks which are more than 100% of weapon damage? Does attack power affect the weapon damage portion of attacks at all or just a straight addition and where it says percent of weapon damage is exactly that? If it is just the damage of the weapon is that normalized by speed too or does weapon speed actually matter on those types of attacks?

Thanks for the help.

[Eurlin]

I just have one question.

how did you test to find your answer for 1AP = .15 damage?

[Phylo]

I believe it's based off of ingame tooltips, but i thought it was 10% of ap, to dps. Unless the .15 damage is raw damage and not per second.

[Albane]

I believe it's based off of ingame tooltips, but i thought it was 10% of ap, to dps. Unless the .15 damage is raw damage and not per second.

Ignore the in game stuff, unless you really think your DPS is 38.



What I am curious about is this weapon normalization speed of 3.8.

So does this mean that DPS listed on the weapon is the most important thing? If I find a 2h weapon with a listed 2.0 speed and 50 dps (100 damage), would it would be better than a weapon with a 4.0 speed and 40 dps (160 damage)?

[Talamare]

I just have one question.

how did you test to find your answer for 1AP = .15 damage?

By extensive testing, Click the link

Ignore the in game stuff, unless you really think your DPS is 38.



What I am curious about is this weapon normalization speed of 3.8.

So does this mean that DPS listed on the weapon is the most important thing? If I find a 2h weapon with a listed 2.0 speed and 50 dps (100 damage), would it would be better than a weapon with a 4.0 speed and 40 dps (160 damage)?

Yes

[Eurlin]

Time doesn't matter because we don't focus on Auto attacks, we focus on our skills which work off and on a global cooldown of 1.5 seconds. so every skill is

Weapon damage/1.5=DPS

exact equation is more like

((WeaponHI+WeaponLOW)/2)/GCD+Ability damage=DPS of that ability damage use/per second

[Talamare]

I believe it's based off of ingame tooltips, but i thought it was 10% of ap, to dps. Unless the .15 damage is raw damage and not per second.

Yep, its raw damage

1 AP will give your skills exactly 0.15 more damage (currently all skill assumes a 100% coefficient ratio, there is no method to simply "check" what a skills coefficient ratio is without extensive testing)

[Phylo]

ah yes, forgot about the 1.5 GCD, so that does make sense.

i hate to even bring this up, but that wont effect Off GCD moves like Re-actives and such.

I am quite curious, as a BM, to figure out how bleeds are effected by AP.

[Talamare]

Time doesn't matter because we don't focus on Auto attacks, we focus on our skills which work off and on a global cooldown of 1.5 seconds. so every skill is

Weapon damage/1.5=DPS

exact equation is more like

((WeaponHI+WeaponLOW)/2)/GCD+Ability damage=DPS of that ability damage use/per second

Every skill is
Weapon Damage + Skill Damage + AP Damage = X * (1+Damage Modifier %)

Weapon Damage is the Min-Max of a weapon that has 2.75 (or 3.8) attack speed with the same DPS


Example - This 32 DPS 2H does 85-158 damage
http://rift.zam.com/en/item/EFCBACE3...te-Fleshreaper

If you use an ability that does exactly 100 damage with 100 AP and zero talents

Your damage will literally be
85+100+15 = 200 for Min damage
158+100+15 = 273 for Max damage

[Talamare]

ah yes, forgot about the 1.5 GCD, so that does make sense.

i hate to even bring this up, but that wont effect Off GCD moves like Re-actives and such.

I am quite curious, as a BM, to figure out how bleeds are effected by AP.

Ill check Bleeds and DW today