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    Quote Originally Posted by 420MySTiC View Post
    ? w/ the 4cp macro

    are you taking PS out? or do you have PS/QS macro'd?

    makin rotation,
    KS > QS > KS > QS > DS
    KS > macro > KA > macro > DS (ends up being 5cp)

    ^ no matter what dance is up?
    What?
    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    Always start a rotation with QS or PS. To do that you need to finish the previous one with KS.

    Therefore....
    PS-KS-QS-KS-DS
    QS-KS-QS-KS-DS

    That's the normal rotation.
    So you can macro PS and QS, yea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffande View Post
    What?
    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    Always start a rotation with QS or PS. To do that you need to finish the previous one with KS.

    Therefore....
    PS-KS-QS-KS-DS
    QS-KS-QS-KS-DS

    That's the normal rotation.
    So you can macro PS and QS, yea.
    heh ya, thats the rotation i was thinking, was smokin some hash rips earlier haha. totally switched em in my post, but yes, that is exactly the rotation that was in my mind lol

    open - FoS > KS > QS > KS > DS
    then - PS > KS > QS > KS > DS
    QS > KS > QS > KS > DS
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    Quote Originally Posted by 420MySTiC View Post
    heh ya, thats the rotation i was thinking, was smokin some hash rips earlier haha. totally switched em in my post, but yes, that is exactly the rotation that was in my mind lol

    open - FoS > KS > QS > KS > DS
    then - PS > KS > QS > KS > DS
    QS > KS > QS > KS > DS
    I'm pretty sure using the macro isn't a dps loss. You can make sure you don't use PS unbuffed by going:

    FoS - KS - compound
    macro - ks - macro - ks - compound (normal rotation ST).

    With blade and soul parity up (if this is the initial pull) finishing early won't lead to being energy starved.
    Last edited by Mayi; 02-17-2012 at 07:31 AM.
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    I am sure it does, but I feel I have to ask. This is more so for the second question.

    Does this parse higher than the SinDancer spec? (At school right now so I can't check, but the point spread is something along the lines of 32sin/22bd/12mm

    and also...

    How much does it outparse it? Raid or dummy, doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rootyy View Post
    I am sure it does, but I feel I have to ask. This is more so for the second question.

    Does this parse higher than the SinDancer spec? (At school right now so I can't check, but the point spread is something along the lines of 32sin/22bd/12mm

    and also...

    How much does it outparse it? Raid or dummy, doesn't matter.
    By sindancer you mean hoko's lazy spec? I can't imagine that this wouldn't out parse it. I have never used that spec, its not very good. It makes no sense to run 51 BD unless you have an HK 4 piece though.

    If you don't have a 4 piece, run Blink-Blade. It's much better than Sindancer and plays closely enough to Bloodstalker to make the transition comfortable when you decide you want to run it.
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    so even in ST we should be using Compound over Deadly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 420MySTiC View Post
    so even in ST we should be using Compound over Deadly?
    You should switch what you use based on the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 420MySTiC View Post
    so even in ST we should be using Compound over Deadly?
    I always use compound. In fights where you know it's only going to be 1 target I use Sin-RS.
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    So here's a question for everyone.. not specifically related to BD but in general. Has anyone broken 5k dps on Sicaron? What everyone's highest Murdantex parse? I'm posting here because I'm ****tered and don't care... plus I'd like to know. I'm wondering if Sin-RS really is higher dps ST or not once you're geared enough. Seeing the Max parse has me wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayi View Post
    So here's a question for everyone.. not specifically related to BD but in general. Has anyone broken 5k dps on Sicaron? What everyone's highest Murdantex parse? I'm posting here because I'm ****tered and don't care... plus I'd like to know. I'm wondering if Sin-RS really is higher dps ST or not once you're geared enough. Seeing the Max parse has me wondering.
    4150 murd / 4990 on sicaron are the highest i've seen.

    Mages are doing about the same if not a little more.
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    I expect over 5k when I get off of bloodiron, would have broken 5k this week I think, if I hadn't hit plane shift near the start of the fight and ended up in front of the boss, had to waste stalk to get back into melee

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    I have been over 5k on a 20% wipe, and that's without a relic. It was also very good RNG. Other rogues in my guild with relics are regularly parsing 4800+, one over 5k this week if i recall correctly. As for Murdantix my best is about 3700, with relic'd rogues above that slightly. These are Bloodstalker numbers of course, 51 BD can't even come close enough to be in the conversation.
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    OP updated with some of the information discussed to this point. Thanks for the added info guys.
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    5k Sicaron is a yes. Aiai and I both get this. I have been at ~5070 twice at the kill. Aiai got over 5100 last week because he has Daggers. Daggers > Swords. We have all been at or over 4100 Murdantix for weeks too.

    Kokie would get over 5k on Sicaron too if he didn't get shafted with contracts. Even in our alt raid this week I got 4991 due to movement and who knows the 100% buffs/debuffs that were or weren't in effect.

    Relic Sword or Dagger, breaking 5k on Sicaron is not hard if you do not get contracts. I've yet to see a 5k with a contract though.

    There is a perfection to the BS rotation, that requires a bit of practice to get down.
    Last edited by Boneloaf; 03-18-2012 at 07:42 PM.

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    I may have overlooked something here, but how come PS isn't used during Dualism?

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