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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffande View Post
    1.)
    If your main- and offhand aren't equally DPS-wise, you should do the following:

    saveequip 1 (strong mainhand)
    saveequip 2 (strong offhand)

    During AoE-ing and Dualism you should use loadequip 2, anything else (and don't forget to switch back when using deancing steel) you should use loadequip 1.
    Damn... I never thought about this. I'm not sure how it would pan out with macro lag, but since you can change weapons in combat it's possible to macro in my relic on each attack.

    What I mean is loading the relic onto your offhand for quick and precision and onto your mainhand for keen and compound....

    Should be a dps increase if macro lag doesn't slow down how fast the abilities hit. Rather then changing equipment for phases or depending which buff is up, you can do it for each attack like wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffande View Post
    1.)
    If your main- and offhand aren't equally DPS-wise, you should do the following:

    saveequip 1 (strong mainhand)
    saveequip 2 (strong offhand)

    During AoE-ing and Dualism you should use loadequip 2, anything else (and don't forget to switch back when using deancing steel) you should use loadequip 1.

    2.)
    If you have energy reduction 4 CP > 5 CP rotation.
    If you don't have energy reduction 5 CP > 4 CP rotation.

    3.)
    Any fight with cleave-possiblities use Compound attack as your default finisher. Even hitting an add once in a whole fight makes compound attack superior to deadly strike.
    I actually never use deadly strike...

    4.)
    Mass subdue is a great AoE-interrupt.

    5.)
    Dauntless Strike is a DPS increase if you go into 5mans w/o support. Use it at the end of trashpulls.

    6.)
    I personally start with FoS - KS - QS - KS - CA.

    7.)
    Without energy reduction leaving out KS during Dualism is a DPS-increase (it costs more and you skip CPs anyways).

    8.)
    Because of 6) and 7) i would put QS on a separate hotkey.
    All very good additions, especially the loadequip stuff (warriors do it all the time, we should too) and using Compound ANY time there is a cleave target, even if you are ST DPSing.

    As for QS/PS, i can understand why some people don't macro them together, but i can't for the life of me think of any time except for that initial charge where you would want to use QS instead of PS. You never do either one without DD, if you are using the 4CP rotation you don't even need to pay attention to whether QS or PS was the attack used.

    I am all for any change that will up my DPS, but not macroing PS and QS just seems like an unnecessary complication.
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    My keybindings are more like...
    esdf - for movement
    A - dance - macro
    1 - QS
    2 - KS
    3 - PS/QS - macro
    4 - CA
    5 - Dancing Steel
    R - Twin Strike
    W - interrupt

    And the other stuff on close by buttons (FoS and RS-port on mouse3 and mouse4)

    So during Dualism when not having energy reduction it's 1-2-1-2-4.
    Anything else ST it's 3-2-3-2-4.
    AoE it's r-r-r-r-r-4

    When fighting 2 targets i throw in twin strike.
    like... PS/QS - KS - TS - TS - [TS -] CA
    3-2-r-r-[r-]4

    If only Dualism is avaible and there are two targets... PS/QS - KS - TS - CA
    3-2-r-4

    Not that hard to get used to.
    Last edited by Coffande; 02-16-2012 at 05:14 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffande View Post
    7.)
    Without energy reduction leaving out KS during Dualism is a DPS-increase (it costs more and you skip CPs anyways).
    This confuses me, are you saying to DS at 4 CP's half the time in dualism? Cus that's the only way you could leave out KS. That seems like it would be a DPS loss to me.
    Last edited by Gyle; 02-16-2012 at 05:30 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyle View Post
    This confuses me, are you saying to DS at 4 CP's half the time in dualism? Cus that's the only way you could leave out KS. That seems like it would be a DPS loss to me.
    Eh. Silly me.

    Meant to say PS, not KS.

    So.... QS-KS-QS-KS-CA
    if you don't have energy reduction during dualism.
    Because you'll have 5CPs anyways and QS hits just as hard as PS for 10 energy less.
    (kind of prevents you from getting ooE too fast after BaSP when playing in 5/10mans w/o bard/chloro)
    And you'll have higher selfbuffed dummy parses. :P
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    You could technically do the weapon swap for every attack no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitto View Post
    You could technically do the weapon swap for every attack no?
    You probably could, but KS hits like a wet noodle no matter what you use. I seriously doubt it would be worth the attacks lost from the slight macro lag inherent in weapon swaps. Part of the reason Warriors can weapon swap on like every attack is because their GCD is so long, and weapon swaps occur off GCD.

    I don't have a relic yet so i can't test it for sure, but i can't imagine you wouldn't end up losing time trying to swap that often with a 1 sec GCD.
    Last edited by Gyle; 02-16-2012 at 07:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitto View Post
    You could technically do the weapon swap for every attack no?
    Hrm never mind; best not to do that. Losing a lot of auto attack DPS and poison procs from doing this. Switching weapons causes the auto attack timer to reset :s Didn't really know about that
    Last edited by Vitto; 02-16-2012 at 07:20 AM.

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    I don't know if it s a good idea , but what about using dancing steel just when bsp are going to fade ?
    6seconds of free bsp. Maybe this can be a dps increase even in single target.
    Last edited by Atheres; 02-16-2012 at 07:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atheres View Post
    I don't know if it s a good idea , but what about using dancing steel just when bsp are going to fade ?
    6seconds of free bsp. Maybe this can be a dps increase even in single target.
    In a raid you are at about 2,2-2,5k-ish DPS ST with DS. (1k-ish per hit + 200 SB and maybe 50 through poison)
    I think normal ST rotation during blade tempo is higher.

    In the end it won't be much of a difference but i guess it's a DPS-loss.

    random rant:
    i hate that DS has 2min cooldown and BaSP 1min45sec.
    Wtb 1min45sec CD for DS.

    And weapon swap for each attack as rogue doesn't work because of the loss of AA and therefor SB.
    That's why i said to only swap it during Dualism and AoE. (Maybe not even worth during AoE, not sure)
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    For the people that are thinking of swapping weapons each attack dont do it. I tested this when 1.7 hit and its a dps loss. You lose too much auto attacks, poisins, and serrated blades.
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    Also.

    PS/QS macro is totally fine but make sure you have a QS button on your bar to start the rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffande View Post
    And weapon swap for each attack as rogue doesn't work because of the loss of AA and therefor SB.
    That's why i said to only swap it during Dualism and AoE. (Maybe not even worth during AoE, not sure)
    That bug has been fixed. You don't need to reequip your mainhand to get your melee PAs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puandro View Post
    For the people that are thinking of swapping weapons each attack dont do it. I tested this when 1.7 hit and its a dps loss. You lose too much auto attacks, poisins, and serrated blades.
    That makes sense. I'll have to test it with 51BD-10MM-5rs where the only disadvantage is autoattacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayi View Post
    That bug has been fixed. You don't need to reequip your mainhand to get your melee PAs.
    AA = Autoattack. Sorry if that wasn't clear
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    ? w/ the 4cp macro

    are you taking PS out? or do you have PS/QS macro'd?

    makin rotation,
    KS > QS > KS > QS > DS
    KS > macro > KA > macro > DS (ends up being 5cp)

    ^ no matter what dance is up?
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