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    Default [4.5] The Hot Pot

    Don't listen to threadsafe, he's been harassing, insulting, trashtalking and ordering me to do things when he can't prove a single words he say, keep it clean and ignore him in game and on forums for your own sake.

    Long time ago, back when BoS wasn't out, primalist players played an easier QuackBack spec.
    It was easier because it had an instant scald for easier movement , but the downside was it was dealing less dps than the QuackBack spec.

    We recently tried it again in our raid group , and after some Buff stacking fixes this spec is now at the same dps as QuackBack.

    I'm not the creator of this spec , we were lot's of primalist player finding it back in the days , everyone playing in their own way but doing about the same things. There is no guide for it atm so i decided to do one , since our test were very good in our last BoS raid.

    So let's start the guide now :

    Soul tree :
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...www/!3k0w|__Tw

    Masteries :

    61 : Exhileration
    62 : Steadfast Rejuvenation
    63 : Vulpine cunning
    64 : Elemental Affinity
    65 : Spiritualism

    Legendaries :
    Rage of the beast
    Scything strike
    Fury blast
    Molten wave
    Scald

    Macros :

    SS macro :

    #show Scything Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Scything Strike
    cast Serpent Tooth

    FB macro :

    #show Fury Blast
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Fury Blast
    use Reliquary of Rage
    cast Serpent Tooth

    MW macro :
    #show Molten Wave
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Serpent Tooth
    cast Molten Wave

    Spam macro :

    #show Stroke of brilliance
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Stroke of Brilliance
    cast Vorpal Salvo
    cast Scald
    cast Serpent Tooth

    Flashpoint Macro :
    #show Summon: Flashpoint Beacon
    suppressmacrofailures
    target @self
    cast @gtae Summon: Flashpoint Beacon
    targetlasttarget

    Easy rotation :


    Start at 100 Fury (spam Scorpion pierce or use avatar from tank spec / don't forget to unequip and re equip the Omnox trinket scorpion pierce will proc it),
    Use Flashpoint beacon so you already have stacks at pull,
    Scald x2 ,
    SS macro -> FB macro -> spam to 80 or 100 fury ( 2 or 3 time the macro depending on cd) -> SS -> MW -> spam to 80 or 100 fury -> repeat
    Use spiritualism on cd.
    Keep beacon close to you.

    Hard rotation , more dps :

    Start at 100 Fury (spam Scorpion pierce or use avatar from tank spec / don't forget to unequip and re equip the Omnox trinket scorpion pierce will proc it),
    Use Flashpoint beacon so you already have stacks at pull,
    Use Rage of the beast at best 30sec before pull (not always doable use it at soon as countdown start otherwise),
    Scald x2 ,
    (engage only) SS macro -> FB macro -> Spam to 40 fury -> SS -> MW -> Spam to 80 fury
    (rotation) SS -> FB -> Spam to 40 fury -> MW -> spam 1 time (20 cunning) -> Scald -> Spam to 80 or 100 fury -> repeat the rotation part.
    Use Spiritualism when you don't have stacks of Rage of the Beast and no procced SS.
    Keep beacon close to you.

    DPS breakdown :

    [4.5] The Hot Pot-hotpotdps.png

    Prancing turtle link from the prima who played it in our raid group.
    Max FB hit is really high in this spec , as well as the crit chance from it, since we get the crit chance bonus from maelstrom and CP boost too:
    [4.5] The Hot Pot-hot-pot-fb-max.png

    I'm pretty sure this spec can do at least 1.8m dps in raid , and even 1.9m with good RNG , it's still less dps than our melee spec, but it's pretty easy to play and it's range.


    Thx for reading , as usual feel free to improve it , to change it to fit your playstyle , and have fun.
    Last edited by Hokhmah; 03-29-2021 at 04:14 AM.

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    Default Thanks!

    Thanks for posting these guides/builds. I started playing Primalist a month ago (just came back to game after a couple of years) and its really nice to have a resource like the builds you post.
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    Your 1.5mil post is on a "normal" puppet, I guess? Hard rotation?

    How much do you lose with the easy rotation? Can you also post your stats pls?

    Thx for the guide, made the spec, easy mode plays like before, just with instant scald and having to worry about the beacon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xly View Post
    Your 1.5mil post is on a "normal" puppet, I guess? Hard rotation?

    How much do you lose with the easy rotation? Can you also post your stats pls?

    Thx for the guide, made the spec, easy mode plays like before, just with instant scald and having to worry about the beacon
    It's on a lvl 72 dummy yes , the one we can put in dimension. With the hard rotation of course. It was the very first parse i made with the spec so their is lot's of mistake in it , but it shouldn't affect the dps that much it usually was SoB not used in harmony so only a small dps loss there.

    with the easy one , you don't manage the Scald crit and crit power proc so it's around 150k less i would say.

    Here are my stats with the spec. Only self buff , no food, vial or stones.
    [4.5] The Hot Pot-stats120619.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by Joebuu View Post
    Thanks for posting these guides/builds. I started playing Primalist a month ago (just came back to game after a couple of years) and its really nice to have a resource like the builds you post.
    Glad to see it help you ;) Feel free to ask if you have some question about specs if you need , and welcome back to Telara !

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    Am I doing it wrong or is MW supposed to drop of every second rotation?
    First round I end on 80 Fury and can cast SS > FB > Fury > MW and MW refreshes
    Second round i end on 60/100 Fury and when I cast SS > FB > Fury > MW MW runs out
    Or do I have to do go to 60 and use SS > FB > Fury > MW ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrikdawin View Post
    Am I doing it wrong or is MW supposed to drop of every second rotation?
    First round I end on 80 Fury and can cast SS > FB > Fury > MW and MW refreshes
    Second round i end on 60/100 Fury and when I cast SS > FB > Fury > MW MW runs out
    Or do I have to do go to 60 and use SS > FB > Fury > MW ?
    You can either do a FB at 80 fury every 2 rotation , or let MW fall.
    I haven't tested yet which one is better , but i assume letting MW drop is better than 80fury FB.
    It's the same playstyle as QuackBack spec, which let MW fall too during scald refresh.
    Last edited by Hokhmah; 06-16-2019 at 05:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokhmah View Post
    You can either do a FB at 80 fury every 2 rotation , or let MW fall.
    I haven't tested yet which one is better , but i assume letting MW drop is better than 80fury FB.
    It's the same playstyle as QuackBack spec, which let MW fall too during scald refresh.
    ok thanks for the answer

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    Just tried this spec my primilist. She has a full eternal and iropt gear. I was messing around wiht the build trying to get some decent numebrs for BoS and i found a rotation that appears to work better than the one i understood from your post. Now that could be because I'm still trying to get yours down but i noticed better numbers if i did.

    Opening then
    Sob spam x2
    Check to see Fury %
    if at 80 hit ss then either MW or FB depending on which is up next.
    if not then hit SoB again then MW or FB depending on which is up next.

    I just kept repeating that and it seemed to pull better numbers than the easy rotation you posted, that utilizes ss pre FB/MW. With this rotation you never let MW fall and FB is recast right as it falls off. You do miss out on the manual ss before each FB or MW but sometimes you have the ss proc and the dps seems to be better when i tested it. I did test at 30m since this is a range spec so omnix proc , autoattacks and sepent tooth were never used. But my numbers where better than the easy rotation. I still need to mess around with the hard rotation and see how they compare. But for 4 buttons it was super easy and decent dps.

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    Everything a bit more complicated than the easy way will do more dps, that's the point of the easy playstyle made for slackers.

    But with SS as legendary FB will always do more dps with a SS before. For MW it's not always the case , but if you can't do one before it's not a big deal.

    Happy to see some player in the game messing a bit with the rotations and not just copy pasting the guide without looking at it ;)

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    Default kick

    luisas melee spec and this both dont have a kick, still they do nice dmg, how do u compensate this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailren View Post
    luisas melee spec and this both dont have a kick, still they do nice dmg, how do u compensate this?
    Either you have teammate who can kick for you, or you can play QuackQuack spec which is the range one like hot pot and have access to a kick, as for the melee spec , you can also play the exact same rotation but with the melee + cleave which have access to a kick too.

    Since we don't need a lot of cleave in raids, most of the time other dps and tanks use them instead of Primalist.

    ̶A̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶k̶e̶e̶p̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶ ̶k̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶u̶m̶e̶ ̶1̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶R̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶l̶ ̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶d̶p̶s̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶k̶i̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶t̶a̶r̶g̶e̶t̶.̶ (Bug fixed)
    Last edited by Hokhmah; 06-03-2020 at 03:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokhmah View Post
    using a kick will consume 1 stack of Rage of the Beast making you deal less dps overall by kicking your target.
    thats odd and funny at the same time

    when does it remove 1 stack? i just tested it on a normal mob and it doenst remove a stack
    Last edited by Sailren; 06-02-2020 at 07:38 AM. Reason: fix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailren View Post
    thats odd and funny at the same time

    when does it remove 1 stack? i just tested it on a normal mob and it doenst remove a stack
    It used to work that way in the past, if it finally got fixed or stopped bugging , then it's a great news
    Since we used to loose a stack of RotB prima never kicked and i never tested it since then

    Just tested it myself too, kick don't consume a stack so previous statement don't work anymore and you won't loose dps ^^
    Am dumb for not testing it again before saying an old bug
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    Hey hello,

    so here is the 'easy approach' to the hard rotation.

    -> Benefit: with ability queue and lags you will get shorter delays; more automation for chaotic situations
    Remember that more macros=less control

    Concept: Stroke Of Brilliance always comes after FB and MW and both can't be used below 40 Fury anaywy. Scald comes after MW in the repeat loop. You only need Scald once every 10 sec and SS reduces the Rotb cd. No Bear to worry about in harmony.
    SoB can be used on every second gcd. We want to weave things around it to get maximum Fury/min and minimise delays. Only FB is worth putting 2 non SoB in a row.
    The FB fot ticks are based on it's temporary base damage, not how much damage the initial tick dealt. So you don't need Scald and Mw up before FB to get the highest dot basedamage.

    FB New
    #show Fury Blast
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Serpent Tooth
    cast Fury Blast
    cast Stroke of Brilliance

    MW buffers
    #show Molten Wave
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Molten Wave
    cast Panther's Claw
    cast Stroke of Brilliance
    cast Scald
    cast Scything Strike
    cast Rage of the Beast

    Spam macro :
    #show Stroke of Brilliance
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Stroke of Brilliance
    cast Vorpal Salvo
    cast Scything Strike
    cast Serpent Tooth

    SS macro :
    #show Scything Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Scything Strike
    cast Rage of the Beast
    cast Serpent Tooth


    Other Macros ofc are your manual Spiritualism and gtae Flashpoint Beacon.
    Best you also keep separate: Scald, Flashpoint, rotb and SoB for more control.


    [COLOR="white"]Do the normal thing with 100 Fury via Titan Ram
    (Moving the harmony bar out of combat disables Harmony of Life until swiching mastery/spec. Using a Titan Build for fury thus is a good option)
    Pre place your beacon. Use Rotb ca. 30 sec before pull.


    ->1-2x Scald

    Then repeat this until the end of times:
    (Spiritualism*) (SS*) - #FBx2 - #MWx3 - #Spam x until 80-100Fury
    -> 80 Fury: SS >FB
    -> 100 Fury: Procc > FB or Spiritualism> procc >FB | no procc = manual SS

    I would put a Spiritualism before 100 Fury SS as it has a huge chance to get a procc and skip the SS gcd alltogether.
    /COLOR]

    *If SS didn't procc a while before your 100 fury, Use Spiritualism on 100Fury. It can procc SS which is a big deal. The Rotb spent is well woth the chance. In it's case ofc skip the SS. If you have the reaction time and latency (and rotb allows for it), you can always put your Spiritualism at 100 Fury to give SS procc another chance before going for the manual SS

    Personaly not a fan of playing into bugs but:
    1) Inquisitor got buffed to match the bugged Prima.
    2) It's the most interesting and engaging aspect of FuryBlast builds.

    What's all this procc-talk about?
    http://forums.riftgame.com/general-d...ng-strike.html
    It is a major issue in PvP. In PvE however it makes for more engaging minmaxing and is not frowned upon.

    Once you run this below which is more ideal, you prolly don't need to look at guides anymore anyway ;)


    SS FB - SoB - MW - SoB - SS - SoB - Scald - SoB -
    (SS) FB - SoB - MW - SoB - Scald - SoB -Vorpal -

    Same thing but here you shuffle the Scald timing based on Vorpal uptime in favor of SS harmony SoB every second block. Barely noticeable gain and alot more clumsy.
    Last edited by Shas; 04-06-2021 at 11:36 PM.

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