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    Default 2.8 Enter the Fae: 61 Druid Guide for Beginners and Advanced Players Alike

    I. Introduction
    - Welcome to the 61 Druid guide! There are many other guides out there like it; however, I wanted to create one specifically for my guild (and now the general population!) and with a few of my own personal recommendations/setups for optimal raid play. I've decided to section this guide into a Beginners-Friendly portion and a more Advanced players portion. If you're just starting out, I highly suggest you start with the beginners guide and, as you get more comfortable with the role and its abilities, transition into the more advanced portion.

    The spec can be found here: 61 Druid/10 Shaman/5 Inquisitor

    A. Why Druid?

    1. Pros:

    - Second highest Cleric DPS Soul (provided melee as an option)
    - Very impressive Single Target Burst DPS
    - Strong ranged AoE Capabilities (thanks to our Greater Faerie Seer pet)
    - Acceptable temporary Ranged DPS Capabilities
    - Tons of utility
    - Potentially very easy rotation

    2. Cons:

    - Relies on a pet (the AI isn't always the best for avoiding stupid on the ground)
    - Suffers if not in melee for a considerable amount of time.

    B. Pets: "Faeries, and Satyrs, and Seers OH MY!"

    In a raid situation, you're likely to only be using one of three pets:

    - Greater Satyr Destroyer
    • This is your go to Melee Single Target DPS pet. If you have one target, or are trying to AVOID splash damage (Phase 1 of Kain), use this pet.

    - Greater Faerie Seer
    • This is your go to Ranged Single Target DPS pet OR your go to AoE DPS pet (regardless of melee or ranged).

    - NOTE: If you're going to be doing AoE DPS with this pet you MUST have Fae Dispersion toggled (more on this later).

    - Greater Faerie Healer
    •This pet will not often be used, however, if your raid is in need of some extra healing (your AoE healers are particularly weak, or dead) this pet can come in handle and pump out upwards of 2k HPS on her own.

    - NOTE: If you're going to be doing AoE healing with this pet you MUST have Fae Dispersion toggled (more on this later).

    C. Stat-Weights

    - If you're not sure which secondary stats to go with, it's pretty safe to stick to the typical DPS priority of:

    Crit Power > Spell Power > Spell Critical Hit

    D. Buffs

    Druid Buffs

    - Aid of the Forest (Provides you with healing when your pet attacks/heals)
    - Through Step (Fae Step teleports you behind the target)
    - Fury of the Fae (+AP and SP for you and your pet)
    - Subtlety (Damaging abilities ignore 20% of the targets armor)
    - Spirit of Asphodel (Single Target)/Spirit of Upheaval (AoE) (More on these later)
    - Fae Dispersion (Allows for AoE pet DPS/Healing)

    Shaman Buffs

    - Vengeance of the Winter Storm (Additional weapon damage)

    Inquisitor Buffs

    - Armor of Devotion (+5% critical hit chance)

    E. Important Abilities, Their Abbreviations, and a Short Description
    • Damaging Abilities:

    Eruption of Life (EoL) - Druid "DoT"
    Crushing Force (CF) - Druid DoT
    Vex (V) - Inquisitor DoT
    Resounding Blow (RB) - Buffs your next attack (combo this with Combined Effort)
    Combined Effort (CE) - Hardest hitting ability
    Massive Blow (MB) - Second hardest hitting ability
    Essence Strike (ES) - Refreshes duration of Eruption of Life
    Fervent Strike(FS) - Generic Single Target filler/spam ability
    Wild Strike (WS) - Generic AoE filler/spam ability
    • Combat Buffs/Major Cooldowns:

    Fae Mimicry - The thing that makes 61 Druid so good; buffs the next 4 attacks to deal damage over time
    Strength of the Fae - 50% damage reduction for both you and your pet
    • Utility Abilities:

    Notion Theft - Interrupt
    Grim Sacrifice - Interrupt + 5 sec Debilitate
    Fae Step - Teleports you to the target (behind the target if the buff Through Step is active)
    Shield of Oak - Small damage absorption shield
    Hidden Path - Removes all curses/diseases/poisons for you and your pet


    II. Beginners Guide

    The beginners guide is based around all-encompassing macros and simplicity. Let's take a look at some of those features:

    A. Macros (All-in-one)

    Single Target Spam Macro:

    #show Essence Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast [notactive] Spirit of Asphodel
    cast Fae Mimicry
    cast Essence Strike
    cast Resounding Blow
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Massive Blow
    cast Fervent Strike
    cast Trickster's Bolt


    What this macro does is it will cast your Shield of Oak and Fae Mimicry on CD before proceeding through the DPS priority for this spec's damaging abilities. Additionally, if you're out of melee range it will continue to DPS by casting Trickster's Bolt. Lastly, and possibly most notably, the line "cast [notactive] Spirit of Asphodel" will ensure that when you're single target DPSing you have Spirit of Asphodel active (not Spirit of Upheaval).

    AoE Spam Macro:

    #show Wild Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast [notactive] Spirit of Upheaval
    cast Shield of Oak
    cast Wild Strike


    This macro is very straightforward, it will cast Shield of Oak on CD and simply spam Wild Strike the rest of the time. Additionally, the line "cast [notactive] Spirit of Upheaval" will ensure that when you're AoE DPSing you have Spirit of Upheaval active (not Spirit of Asphodel).

    Interrupt Macro:

    #show Notion Theft
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Notion Theft
    cast Grim Silence



    B. Single Target Rotation

    The single target rotation deviates very little from simply spamming the provided macro. Your opening sequence will look like this:

    EoL > CF > Fae Step (if not already in melee) > Spam Macro 4x (until Fae Mimicry has been used up) > V > Spam Macro and manually refresh CF and V when they are about to fall off

    - NOTE: Essence Strike, which is in your macro, will maintain EoL for you. If it drops, be prepared to reapply it manually


    C. AoE Rotation

    The AoE Rotation for this build is quite simply:

    Spam the provided AoE macro

    - NOTE: Make sure you have the Greater Faerie Seer out with Fae Dispersion TOGGLED ON.


    D. Utility

    As with any soul, you should be prepared to use your interrupts whenever necessary (Use the Interrupt macro provided, be careful about hitting it more than once)


    III. Advanced Guide

    The advanced portion of this guide looks at the class more in depth and aims to min/max all sources of potential damage/DPS. In doing so we must acknowledge the down-side/problems with the macro's presented in the beginners portion. The beginner macro will simply cast Fae Mimicry whenever it is active; additionally, it will cast Combined Effort with no regard for whether or not Resounding Blow had been used. These are both very big problems for the min/maxing Druids out there. Fae Mimicry will amplify the damage of the next 4 attacks; thus, it makes far more sense to ensure that those next four attacks are the hardest hitting attacks you've got right? Well, that macro doesn't allow for such things. Additionally, since Combined Effort is our hardest hitting ability, it would make more sense from a DPS standpoint to ensure it follows Resounding Blow (which increases the damage of the next damaging ability by 50% - excluding DoTs) right? Well, again, that macro doesn't account for such things. Because of that, it is up to the player to manually control these factors which requires manually controlling/hotkeying Fae Mimicry and using one additional macro.

    For me personally, the payout for using this rotation is about +500 DPS (almost full T1 gear, so nothing special). If you're a min/maxer where every little bit counts or you just want something a little more involved then this setup is for you!


    A. Macros

    Single Target Spam Macro:

    #show Essence Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast [notactive] Spirit of Asphodel
    cast Shield of Oak
    cast Essence Strike
    cast Fervent Strike
    cast Trickster's Bolt


    This macro will cast your Shield of Oak and Essence Strike on CD (to refresh EoL) and follow all subsequent casts with Fervent Strike (if in melee range) or Trickster's Bolt (if not in melee range).

    Single Target Controlled Burst Macro:

    #show Resounding Blow
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast [notactive] Spirit of Asphodel
    cast Shield of Oak
    cast Resounding Blow
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Massive Blow
    cast Essence Strike
    cast Fervent Strike


    Mastering the use of this macro is the key to getting the most out of your Druid's DPS. What it will do is cast your abilities in order from the hardest hitting to the weakest. The macro has two purposes:

    1.) Ensure that you get the most out of your Fae Mimicry (this macro will be spammed after every Fae Mimicry cast).
    2.) Ensure that Resounding Blow's +50% damage buff is always applied to our hardest hitting ability: Combined Effort.

    AoE Spam Macro:

    #show Wild Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast [notactive] Spirit of Upheaval
    cast Shield of Oak
    cast Wild Strike


    Nothing has changed as far as AoE DPS is considered; feel free to refer to the Beginner's Section if necessary.

    B. Single Target Rotation

    The single target rotation is a combination of both single target macros. Your opening sequence should look like this:

    EoL > CF > Fae Step (if not already in melee) > Spam Controlled Burst Macro 4x (until Fae Mimicry has been used up) > V > Resounding Blow (via Controlled Burst Macro) > Spam Single Target Spam Macro

    - NOTE: Resounding Blow has an initial CD of 15 seconds (exactly like Combined Effort) however, due to EoL's effect, every damaging ability we use will reduce the CD of RB by 1.5 seconds. Because of this, you will often find that RB is off CD while CE is on CD. In these situations you need to immediately use RB and "waste" it on whatever attack your macro has lined up next. In doing so you will place it back on CD and over the next few attacks hopefully get it's CD to line up with CE. If RB is OFF CD, and CE has only a few seconds left on its CD you need to hold RB so that you may pair it with CE. THAT is the key to min/maxing Druid DPS.


    C. AoE Rotation

    Again, the AoE Rotation for this build is quite simply:

    Spam the provided AoE macro

    - NOTE: Make sure you have the Greater Faerie Seer out with Fae Dispersion TOGGLED ON.


    D. Utility

    - As with any soul, you should be prepared to use your interrupts whenever necessary (Use the Interrupt macro provided, be careful about hitting it more than once).

    - Additionally, it will be up to you to decide when to use your Strength of the Fae (50% damage reduction ability).

    - Lastly, it's worth noting that between Fae Step and Ride the Lightning (Shaman ability) you will have fantastic movement capabilities. You will be able to cover very large areas very quickly; however, because Strength of the Fae is off the GCD, I WOULD NOT recommend macroing these two abilities together, it will use both of them once you are in range of the target.


    IV. Additional Information

    A. KaruulAlert Exports

    Fae Mimicry:

    KA:Fae Mimicry:aKA6meNotjs0KwjAQhF/FJ9DWWNOyJ20b8FArJd4KZZtEDPZHklyK+O6mQb4d
    GGb2MBADh/eAizKwWrYK1abSoxZmgRPLaUL2ecIIpUVGCET+j3kiT6MfDgp0 uGvvlxZ7PWi3dFrM
    k217hdaNXsp09olGya6fJ2k7sZXSQkop0CyDQ7pe7PlYh+Jlv3 CuOa+rvLzysvF5KGMgURjH69u/
    CcExLGE/RUM8tA

    Eruption of Life:

    KA:Eruption of Life:aN7/xeNotzsEKgzAMBuBX8Qmcnc6u5CTawmBsQ9ytMOKsoyBaanbw7 dd
    u40sg/MkhwKADN+FmfEroX4YgJpH0b0d2mZNlTM52NFCpSkgueJMLVdQ lO0AWjlWQBa0dCRok3On
    7SWNvJ0vbwz6XedU9+t4M5NGxdBhWEAUHLgQUx1gsgFpeOtnGi X3l2e+N6+2/CYGCMvQe1AcsKzX
    N

    Crushing Force:

    KA:Crushing Force:ad8+UeNotzk0OgjAQBeCreAJs+SvkrUiliRs1BHckpkK FJgimrQtub6vmm
    0kmb2YxoGjxmuWmTOSkGZVDSAJu3nbSy7gTq+kVKlFlLGVxVuS k4GnCQfyp8IjX6IfDQTq5767HT
    t71rN120/262G5a580+tVNJNAwWlFAGVpZIi1DUA69Pbd2EiX4l5PfE+fLf +EAg9x1DfAChsTT1

    Vex:

    KA:Vex:asgwoeNotjcEKwjAQRP+oJraYhDlp00AvKqV6Cki0UQ LFShuk/Xs3Km92GGYOC44Wr94t
    fsyiGx8+IjWJs5+xNVoaVuxyoUotyMFoNwQjmnCP0C66lT3V1l 1DH+JyCbfhOdm3n7Oum8CZFBBK
    oZBJnEBZ7duqSYl/ydnv5eH4X6gw2NCtYT5ezS5J


    -NOTE: If you have any comments, questions, or suggestions feel free to post them here or hit me up in game. Thank you for (hopefully) taking the time to read this guide and learn what Cleric Druids have to offer!

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    First I want to say your guide is well formatted and very informative. However there are some issues. I actively use Druid to Raid with and love it, forget the nay sayers who call it bad because its 5-8%~ below Shaman DPS. I'm always in the top 4 DPS usually just 500-600 below the Rangers.

    Fae Mimicry - The thing that makes 61 Druid so good; buffs the next 4 attacks to deal damage over time
    This is wrong. Fae Mimicry "mimics" your next 4 ST attacks. RB hits for 24k FM hits for same 24k, CE hits for 30k FM hits for the same 30k. Basically doubles your DPS for 4 attacks.

    Macros:
    Remove all the instances of "cast [notactive] Spirit of ***" from your macros they waste GCD's and lower your DPS you should be handling Spirits and Fae Dispersion manually for optimal DPS.
    Shield of Oak should always be at the Bottom of your macros. it is off GCD but by putting it at the top it will delay your 1st attack, again wasting DPS. At the bottom however it only gets used between GCD's.

    #show Essence Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Fae Mimicry
    cast Resounding Blow
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Massive Blow
    cast Essence Strike
    cast Fervent Strike
    cast Trickster's Bolt
    cast Shield of Oak

    Is the proper spam macro. You could make an argument its better DPS to remove Fae Mimicry and handle it separately. But I won't, cause I don't..

    Essence Strike Goes where I put it for 2 reasons.
    1. If you cast Eol>CF>Vex> spam macro in your macro EoL will get refreshed far too soon, Optimally you want it refreshed when CF is at about 6 seconds left, to fit CF/Vex refresh better into your next rotation.
    2. ES Hits Harder then FS so you want it inside of your Fae Mimicry/CE buffs

    Interrupt macros should never exist without a Focus mod. Should have Grim Silence 1st, GS has a longer CD, saving your short CD if you mess it up, the silence won't work in Raid most the time so doesn't matter however solo it will make a huge diff. The following macro will always Interrupt your Focus target 1st, regular target if you don't have a Focus.

    #show Notion Theft
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @focus Grim Silence
    cast Grim Silence
    cast @focus Notion Theft
    cast Notion Theft

    Fae Step / Ride the Lightning, Should be macro'd there is no fear of ever using them both at the same time. Fae Step is off GCD so if hit between a GCD will use that if not on GCD will use RtL unless its on CD.

    #show Ride the Lightning
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Ride the Lightning
    cast Fae Step

    Rotation: You need Vex its a large chunk of DPS. With a 4 piece Crystal EoL>CF>Vex, with out a 4 piece crystal Eol>Vex>CF.
    Also with the fix to Subtlety its worth throwing a Lightning Hammer at least in the 1st rotation. Don't need to keep it up 100% tho just whenever it can fit.

    Pet:
    The Satyr Destroyer is only a ST DPS gain of 200-300. IMO not worth his headache, he gets stuck very very often and has issues with terrain. I use the Faerie Seer 100% of the time. Change Spirit, toggle Fae Dispersion and in 2 clicks you go from ST to AoE. With Spirit of As. up she never has any splash dmg so you don't need to worry about no AE fights.

    Utility:
    Fae Extraction!!!!!! Seriously the most useful tool in our arsenal. You can Help the Tank by pulling in that stubborn caster. In GA we run past all the Trash to Kaliban. Then I use Fae Extraction to pull Harbs/Tacts out of the trash 1 by 1 before we kill off the rest.

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    messed up the interrupt macro. should be

    #show Notion Theft
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @focus Grim Silence
    cast @focus Notion Theft
    cast Grim Silence
    cast Notion Theft

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    2 Notes.

    The spec you linked to has 5 Justicar not 5 Inq as mentioned in your post?

    Why not have 2 points from Vicious Streak into Singled Out?

    Nicely written guide though gj.


    Edit: You may want to mention about never casting Thorns of Ire in a raid else feel the wrath of your bard etc ;p
    Last edited by Intrinsic; 08-31-2014 at 10:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DravenCarey View Post
    III. Advanced Guide

    The advanced portion of this guide looks at the class more in depth and aims to min/max all sources of potential damage/DPS.

    For me personally, the payout for using this rotation is about +500 DPS (almost full T1 gear, so nothing special). If you're a min/maxer where every little bit counts or you just want something a little more involved then this setup is for you!
    I would not recommend this for min/maxing as the suggestion you give about "wasting" RB's use between CE will be a significant dps loss.

    - NOTE: Resounding Blow has an initial CD of 15 seconds (exactly like Combined Effort) however, due to EoL's effect, every damaging ability we use will reduce the CD of RB by 1.5 seconds. Because of this, you will often find that RB is off CD while CE is on CD. In these situations you need to immediately use RB and "waste" it on whatever attack your macro has lined up next. In doing so you will place it back on CD and over the next few attacks hopefully get it's CD to line up with CE. If RB is OFF CD, and CE has only a few seconds left on its CD you need to hold RB so that you may pair it with CE. THAT is the key to min/maxing Druid DPS.
    RB has a 7.5 second cooldown based on Life Surge reduction and thus can be used once every 7.5 seconds. This allows you to get 1 RB in between CE consumptions. Crushing Force is your second hardest hitting ability and should always consume that RB between CE. I recommend you set your rotation up like this for min maxing. Otherwise you shouldnt really call it that.

    Block 1: RB > CE > Filler > MB > Filler
    Block 2: RB > CF > Filler > Vex > Filler


    Fillers are (by priority):



    a) Essence Strike
    b) Lightning Hammer
    c) Fervent Strike


    This rotation maximizes CF while allowing your 4 hardest hitting abilities to land on every fae mimicry but not delaying those abilities in the normal rotation. There is a different Fae Mimicry setup every time it is active though so it requires some attention. Here are the different ways FM will land based on those blocks. You will find that lightning hammer's use as a filler will need to be delayed at times in order to push back FM since it doesnt consume a stack.



    Essence Strike Leading – Essence Strike is the last ability in block 2 with Fae Mimicry off cooldown. Fae Mimicry is generally off CD at this point due to latency allowing you to use it before Essence. This requires LH to push back the last stack for Massive Blow consumption.
    ES
    >RB>CE>LH>MB
    Essence Strike Ending – This requires LH as well to push back the last stack for Essence Strike consumption
    RB>CE>LH>MB>ES

    No Lightning Hammer – This happens when all your top abilities lineup for 4 direct FM consumptions

    RB>CE>ES>MB
    During a normal rotation, those 3 instances of FM will cycle between one another. Maximizing LH is another area that you didnt mention at all and it is a gain over Fervent Strike. Use it when it drops from the target as a filler as long as Essence Strike isnt off cooldown and Fae Mimicry instance #1 or #2 that i shown above isn't coming up in the next 10 seconds.


    Overall a decent guide for people learning the soul though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilauria View Post
    First I want to say your guide is well formatted and very informative. However there are some issues. I actively use Druid to Raid with and love it, forget the nay sayers who call it bad because its 5-8%~ below Shaman DPS. I'm always in the top 4 DPS usually just 500-600 below the Rangers.

    #show Essence Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Fae Mimicry
    cast Resounding Blow
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Massive Blow
    cast Essence Strike
    cast Fervent Strike
    cast Trickster's Bolt
    cast Shield of Oak

    Is the proper spam macro. You could make an argument its better DPS to remove Fae Mimicry and handle it separately. But I won't, cause I don't..

    Essence Strike Goes where I put it for 2 reasons.
    1. If you cast Eol>CF>Vex> spam macro in your macro EoL will get refreshed far too soon, Optimally you want it refreshed when CF is at about 6 seconds left, to fit CF/Vex refresh better into your next rotation.
    2. ES Hits Harder then FS so you want it inside of your Fae Mimicry/CE buffs

    Rotation: You need Vex its a large chunk of DPS. With a 4 piece Crystal EoL>CF>Vex, with out a 4 piece crystal Eol>Vex>CF.
    Also with the fix to Subtlety its worth throwing a Lightning Hammer at least in the 1st rotation. Don't need to keep it up 100% tho just whenever it can fit.
    This is really inaccurate. Using the macro (Wasting RB/FM) you suggest will not come anywhere within 5-8% of a proper shaman and inquisitor should even be higher. Druid has decent dps but it hinges on maximizing between Fae Mimicry blocks as well as during. That macro will not maximize during FM or in between because of the pushback in the rotation that Essence Strike experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilauria View Post
    I'm always in the top 4 DPS usually just 500-600 below the Rangers.
    Also Ranger dps is behind:

    Pyro, Sin, Stormbinger, Paragon, Shaman, Warlock, and probably close with Tempest and probably something else i am forgetting. Druid is not truly competitive with melee specs currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haybale View Post
    This is really inaccurate. Using the macro (Wasting RB/FM) you suggest will not come anywhere within 5-8% of a proper shaman and inquisitor should even be higher. Druid has decent dps but it hinges on maximizing between Fae Mimicry blocks as well as during. That macro will not maximize during FM or in between because of the pushback in the rotation that Essence Strike experiences.
    Ya, if all your doing is smashing the macro over and over you can and will waste FM/RB, if you've been using it for a while tho you get a feel for when to throw in the correct fillers CF/Vex/LH.
    I don't just smash through the entire macro every rotation tho. Usually you can't to Keep EoL up you have to use a filler at the right time. Its a Dance but you can keep the rotation up almost exactly as you pointed out with practice and that macro. I used to keep each ability on a secondary bar just for watching the CD's, don't need them anymore. Probably should have explained that. This why I don't write guides.>:L

    Also Ranger dps is behind:

    Pyro, Sin, Stormbinger, Paragon, Shaman, Warlock, and probably close with Tempest and probably something else i am forgetting. Druid is not truly competitive with melee specs currently.
    Of course its not "competitive" its not a "Top DPS Spec". But it is well with in the acceptable DPS Range. Unless your entire raid is under geared for the encounter its not going to be a make or break issue.

    None of our Mages or Rogues ever melee so dunno how it fares against Sin or Bringer. Pyros beat everybody! The only shaman I play with regularly has better gear then me, 3 pieces of t2 while I'm in all tier 1 for DPS. Now when I stay druid I can't always but when I do I'm usually only about 2-2.5k behind him in DPS. Now I'm probably just not very good with Shaman but I can't make it do any more then 1.5k more DPS then I do in Druid. I'm always above our Tempest whose in almost all T2. I don't feel useful to the Raid in Shaman tho, maybe its the Tank in me, but unless I have something useful other then mindlessly smashing DPS I get quite bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilauria View Post
    Of course its not "competitive" its not a "Top DPS Spec". But it is well with in the acceptable DPS Range. Unless your entire raid is under geared for the encounter its not going to be a make or break
    I dont know who you raid with but there is something to be said about progression raiding. If you are in a guild that doesn't care about progression then by all means ignore this.

    Maximizing DPS isn't purely about beating an enrage timer. Knocking any time at all off of an encounter increases the potential for a kill. In trivial outdated content sure you can play a sub par spec and be ok but you are hurting progression if you run druid and it shouldn't be recommended as a raiding soul to anyone. The one exception to this was on inyrkta if only a couple wars were available. It is behind shaman in just about every aspect of gameplay and playing it will gimp a pve progression group. If the guild doesn't care about getting through content then everyone can just play what they want.

    Also it is impossible to maximize druid with that macro unless you are never suffering from disconnects or you have all the abilities separate anyway. At that point, you should just not have that macro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haybale View Post
    I would not recommend this for min/maxing as the suggestion you give about "wasting" RB's use between CE will be a significant dps loss.

    RB has a 7.5 second cooldown based on Life Surge reduction and thus can be used once every 7.5 seconds. This allows you to get 1 RB in between CE consumptions. Crushing Force is your second hardest hitting ability and should always consume that RB between CE. I recommend you set your rotation up like this for min maxing. Otherwise you shouldnt really call it that.

    [/COLOR]Overall a decent guide for people learning the soul though.
    Fantastic recommendation! I didn't realize that RB buffed CF, I will definitely start implementing this into my rotation! Thanks for the feedback

    Quote Originally Posted by Intrinsic View Post
    2 Notes.

    The spec you linked to has 5 Justicar not 5 Inq as mentioned in your post?

    Why not have 2 points from Vicious Streak into Singled Out?

    Nicely written guide though gj.


    Edit: You may want to mention about never casting Thorns of Ire in a raid else feel the wrath of your bard etc ;p
    My apologies about the fudged link, it should be inquisitor with 5/5 in Planar Study. Additionally, the 2/2 in Singled Out is definitely worth picking up! I must have over-sighted that when throwing this together, thanks for bringing it to my attention!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eilauria View Post
    First I want to say your guide is well formatted and very informative. However there are some issues. I actively use Druid to Raid with and love it, forget the nay sayers who call it bad because its 5-8%~ below Shaman DPS. I'm always in the top 4 DPS usually just 500-600 below the Rangers.



    This is wrong. Fae Mimicry "mimics" your next 4 ST attacks. RB hits for 24k FM hits for same 24k, CE hits for 30k FM hits for the same 30k. Basically doubles your DPS for 4 attacks.

    Thanks for pointing that out to me; reading tooltips is helpful right? Lol.

    Macros:
    Remove all the instances of "cast [notactive] Spirit of ***" from your macros they waste GCD's and lower your DPS you should be handling Spirits and Fae Dispersion manually for optimal DPS.

    The Spirits are on their own GCD, so they don't interact with the rest of the stuff/cause problems in the rotation. I will however say that it SHOULD be toggled independently. I just throw them in the macro for the sake of ease and let the players decide if they personally want to be responsible for toggling it.

    Shield of Oak should always be at the Bottom of your macros. it is off GCD but by putting it at the top it will delay your 1st attack, again wasting DPS. At the bottom however it only gets used between GCD's.

    I think this is a personal preference kind of thing, I've never really noticed it give me any lag since Oak Shield is off the GCD. If people notice any pushback then they can surely move it around. I think either is fine imo

    #show Essence Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Fae Mimicry
    cast Resounding Blow
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Massive Blow
    cast Essence Strike
    cast Fervent Strike
    cast Trickster's Bolt
    cast Shield of Oak

    Is the proper spam macro. You could make an argument its better DPS to remove Fae Mimicry and handle it separately. But I won't, cause I don't..

    But you definitely should! Makes a HUGE difference in DPS (1-2k atleast)

    Essence Strike Goes where I put it for 2 reasons.
    1. If you cast Eol>CF>Vex> spam macro in your macro EoL will get refreshed far too soon, Optimally you want it refreshed when CF is at about 6 seconds left, to fit CF/Vex refresh better into your next rotation.
    2. ES Hits Harder then FS so you want it inside of your Fae Mimicry/CE buffs

    I agree, it's in my macro just above FS. It's the 4th ability

    Interrupt macros should never exist without a Focus mod. Should have Grim Silence 1st, GS has a longer CD, saving your short CD if you mess it up, the silence won't work in Raid most the time so doesn't matter however solo it will make a huge diff. The following macro will always Interrupt your Focus target 1st, regular target if you don't have a Focus.

    #show Notion Theft
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @focus Grim Silence
    cast Grim Silence
    cast @focus Notion Theft
    cast Notion Theft

    You're using the assumption that everyone who interrupts uses their focus to do so. Some do, some don't. Those who do will know how to modify the macro. I think this is just a personal flavor kind of thing but thanks for mentioning it for those who wouldnt have known otherwise .

    Fae Step / Ride the Lightning, Should be macro'd there is no fear of ever using them both at the same time. Fae Step is off GCD so if hit between a GCD will use that if not on GCD will use RtL unless its on CD.

    #show Ride the Lightning
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Ride the Lightning
    cast Fae Step

    Rotation: You need Vex its a large chunk of DPS. With a 4 piece Crystal EoL>CF>Vex, with out a 4 piece crystal Eol>Vex>CF.
    Also with the fix to Subtlety its worth throwing a Lightning Hammer at least in the 1st rotation. Don't need to keep it up 100% tho just whenever it can fit.

    Vex is definitely worth using, however, for the sake of burst DPS i prolong casting it until after my FM block. But yes, it should certainly be maintained. As for LH, I had never given it much thought and am only just now starting to incorporate it.

    Pet:
    The Satyr Destroyer is only a ST DPS gain of 200-300. IMO not worth his headache, he gets stuck very very often and has issues with terrain. I use the Faerie Seer 100% of the time. Change Spirit, toggle Fae Dispersion and in 2 clicks you go from ST to AoE. With Spirit of As. up she never has any splash dmg so you don't need to worry about no AE fights.

    Great suggestion, worth keeping in mind. Thanks!

    Utility:
    Fae Extraction!!!!!! Seriously the most useful tool in our arsenal. You can Help the Tank by pulling in that stubborn caster. In GA we run past all the Trash to Kaliban. Then I use Fae Extraction to pull Harbs/Tacts out of the trash 1 by 1 before we kill off the rest.

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    I think this is a personal preference kind of thing, I've never really noticed it give me any lag since Oak Shield is off the GCD. If people notice any pushback then they can surely move it around. I think either is fine imo
    Has nothing to do with lag, Shield of Oak and Spirits have an animation attached to them for some ungodly reason. Lag or no lag this animation will delay your attack because Rift is kinda wonky in that it won't perform the next attack till the animation is finished GCD or no.

    I agree, it's in my macro just above FS. It's the 4th ability
    The very 1st macro in your guide the one under Beginners has Essence strike right after FM.

    You're using the assumption that everyone who interrupts uses their focus to do so. Some do, some don't. Those who do will know how to modify the macro. I think this is just a personal flavor kind of thing but thanks for mentioning it for those who wouldnt have known otherwise .
    I do assume that, if they are Raiding, and your guide said it was for Raiding? Because it is impossible to interrupt a mob your not attacking with out using focus or mouse over.

    Just 2 T1 examples to showcase why it is important.
    IDH:Isskal after toilet bowl your dps should be offing the ads and interrupting Ice shard at the same time.
    FT:Zaviel the most common strategy is to interrupt the heals cast by Iota and Zeta while focus DPS'ing the boss.

    Its just Raiding Basics 101, anyone entering raiding should learn to do this for any spec with an Interrupt, Purge, or any utility spell that may be called for on off targets. Some people use @mouseover to accomplish this and that's fine, if more awkward imo. If they are in a Raid they Should definitely learn to use 1 of these 2. Should not be left to personal flavor it should be taught to any potential raider.

    Vex is definitely worth using, however, for the sake of burst DPS i prolong casting it until after my FM block. But yes, it should certainly be maintained. As for LH, I had never given it much thought and am only just now starting to incorporate it.
    Sorry, you do indeed. I missed it somehow.

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