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    This build is a Swiss army knife of cleric builds. It offers Very good AOE damage, 5%, 10%, and 20% damage reduction links, good utility, easy soloing, minimal heals and decent single target dps. Let's cover these one by one.

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    This build is very flexible. Depending on how you decide to use it, you may want to distribute your points differently.

    AOE Damagee; I have done easy 20k on 8 dummies using this rotation and macro. That would be self buffed, no pots, Flaring Sigil, and since no way to receive damage, less 20% damage buff from Rage Blight buff and damage from Bond of Pain.
    Rotation: Bond of Pain, Curse of Solitude, AE Macro, Curse of Solitude, AE Macro, Bond of Pain, Curse of Solitude, AOE Macro. Bond of Pain is a 30 second debuff, while Curse of Solitude is 15. Note: Be certain Obliterate is toggled OFF.
    AOE Macro
    #show Tyranny of Death
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Tyranny of Death
    cast Disintegration
    cast Bound Fate
    All instant cast, so no movement interruptions. Easy Peasy

    Damage Reduction: Link of Distress 5% - Link of Misery 10% - Link of Suffering 20%. These can be used on tank, off tank, melee, or healers as damage may dictate. The real benefit here is understanding that used properly, these links will allow healers and support to concentrate more on group heals and/or DPS. Fewer focused casts on tanks = more even healing and greater DPS.

    Utility: This build has Sigil of Woe for AOE debuffing targets (15 second CD) Jealous Intervention for single target cleanse (spammable) Death's Embrace battle res, Mass Reversal group reflect (45 second CD) Reversal of Fortune single target reflect (30 second CD) Sigil of Binding AOE Snare (15 second CD) Howoling Death immunity to silence or Int (2 minute CD) I think you'll agree that's a lot of utility from a solid DPS spec.

    Soloing: With Beacon of Despair, Husk of Indifference, and Siphon Vitality, soloing is pretty easy. It took me some practice to become good at soloing. I do think I get better all the time, Now I rarely use my 61 Druid spec (the standard cleric soloing spec). You have 2 instant cast heals Hideous Reconstruction (HOT) and Loathsome Restoration. Your "Oh ****" Shadow Breach is admittedly pretty lame, but fortunately rarely needed.

    Heals: These are covered in the previous section. I don't use Foul Growth because of the cast time to heal benefit is way too low. Aside from soloing, I only use the heals to trigger Husk of Indifference. Siphon Vitality triggers it and is my first choice followed by Hideous Reconstruction, lastly Loathsome Restoration. You can cast them on the tank or yourself as need be.

    Single Target DPS: This is the weakest aspect of the build although it is still a decent contributor. I was still able to maintain 6k on a Raid Boss Dummy, That would also be self buffed, no pots, Flaring Sigil, and since no way to receive damage, less 20% damage buff from Rage Blight buff and damage from Bond of Pain.
    Rotation: Bond of Pain, Siphon Vitality (not top DPS DOT, but it triggers Husk of Indifference) Single Target Macro, Siphon Vitality, Single Target Macro, Bond of Pain, Siphon Vitality, Single Target Macro.
    You can blend in the DOT's Vex and Curse of Discord if it is a movement heavy fight. But I found a slight increase to stand and spam fights by leaving them out. Very slight by the way. Be sure your Obliterate is toggled ON
    Single Target Macro
    #show Somatic Desecration
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Marrow Harvest
    cast Tyranny of Death
    cast Disintegration
    cast Dark Water
    cast Bound Fate

    General: I use the Gilded Defiler Crystal which grants a 30 second buff of 100 spell power after casting a Bond. In this case Bond of Pain. I use Rage Blight and Armor of Devotion for self buffs. I see no reson to use the Grief blight as direct heals are such a minimal part of this build. I don't believe the increase in absorption granted refers to your links. If I am wrong, please someone let me know.

    As you look over this build you may decide to customize it a number of ways. If you'd like less utility you could opt to not take Mass Reversal or Reversal of Fortune. If you do not plan on soloing there is no need for Beacon of Distress. If you go deeper in Defiler soul you can add Explosive Growth making single target heals a crap ton more effective.
    I Welcome all your feedback and ideas, I request you do stay on topic. I think we all know a heavier Defiler plays much different, as does a heavier Cabalist build. So lets stay away from comparing those builds without addressing the versatility this build offers.

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    These souls are commonly hybrided together, one thing I would ask is why you are putting points into Pursuit of Truth instead of the excellent Spellpower bonus or something else, all of your damage is instant cast and range only matters in PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrinnz View Post
    These souls are commonly hybrided together, one thing I would ask is why you are putting points into Pursuit of Truth instead of the excellent Spellpower bonus or something else, all of your damage is instant cast and range only matters in PvP.
    Excellent question. I only recently went that way. The 2 points gain you Armor of Devotion buff 5% crit, and 35 meter range (nice for pvp or CQ) and using the Inq soul gains you Vex, which hits hardest of the DoTs. But as stated in the guide you may indeed opt to put points elsewhere and maybe even use a zero Justicar for Salvation, or zero Sent for Healing breath. I won't say anyway is right or wrong. Each for the given player and how they may use it, is best. Your point is well taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Currly View Post
    Excellent question. I only recently went that way. The 2 points gain you Armor of Devotion buff 5% crit, and 35 meter range (nice for pvp or CQ) and using the Inq soul gains you Vex, which hits hardest of the DoTs. But as stated in the guide you may indeed opt to put points elsewhere and maybe even use a zero Justicar for Salvation, or zero Sent for Healing breath. I won't say anyway is right or wrong. Each for the given player and how they may use it, is best. Your point is well taken.
    he meant putting the 2 points into Planar Study in inquisitor instead. 4% spellpower is waaaay better than range and pushback reduction when it comes to pve. you would still maintain armor of devotion
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    If AOE damage is your goal, you would be better served going Cabalist, if you have to play Defiler (links/metamorphisis) not taking 2/2 Metamorphisis and 2/2 Rampant Growth is really bad. And if you are there to provide this proper use of defiler, you have no choice but to take the 51 point OP Unholy Nexus.

    The build does not provide all the abilities you claim.
    Rather a poor job of some of them.

    If the brief is to supply AOE damage, Links (with all their proper benefits) and some ST damage and Utility.
    Use a 51 pointer Defiler build.
    No Cab/Defiler build that HAS to supply link benefits properly, will beat Unholy Nexus AOE.
    For that reason, I think you are 22 points too deep into Defiler, links are not just about the absorb.
    At the very least move some points around to get proper link benefits.
    Your tanks will sad panda with you if you turn up as defiler and dont boost them 6% HP.

    Disintergration @ 28 Cab looks so sweet, but it just don't fit into a 51 point build.

    In summary, Defiler for even all rounder purposes is 51 or 4 (Blighted Greed) or 16 (Beacon soloing) or ofc the 61 point Cd build.
    Any other points IMHO can be spent more efficiently elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceodoc View Post
    If AOE damage is your goal, you would be better served going Cabalist, if you have to play Defiler (links/metamorphisis) not taking 2/2 Metamorphisis and 2/2 Rampant Growth is really bad. And if you are there to provide this proper use of defiler, you have no choice but to take the 51 point OP Unholy Nexus.

    The build does not provide all the abilities you claim.
    Rather a poor job of some of them.

    If the brief is to supply AOE damage, Links (with all their proper benefits) and some ST damage and Utility.
    Use a 51 pointer Defiler build.
    No Cab/Defiler build that HAS to supply link benefits properly, will beat Unholy Nexus AOE.
    For that reason, I think you are 22 points too deep into Defiler, links are not just about the absorb.
    At the very least move some points around to get proper link benefits.
    Your tanks will sad panda with you if you turn up as defiler and dont boost them 6% HP.

    Disintergration @ 28 Cab looks so sweet, but it just don't fit into a 51 point build.

    In summary, Defiler for even all rounder purposes is 51 or 4 (Blighted Greed) or 16 (Beacon soloing) or ofc the 61 point Cd build.
    Any other points IMHO can be spent more efficiently elsewhere.

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    All your points are valid, save one. The build is for versatility. It is not for AOE damage, nor for tanking links, or any single specific job, which again you point out quite accurately is not served best by this build. This build is specifically for versatility (a little word play). Cabalist will do better AOE damage and Defiler will better support a tanks etc. But they pvp, solo, 5 man, not so good. Those builds can and do fit much better into your 20 man raids. This is more where you can't afford a person to do one or the other. And for pvp, solo, etc.

    Contrary to your "the build does not provide all the abilities you claim" I reference each claim specifically, with the skills that provide it. If the levels at which they provide them are not to your expectations, that does not mean they do not exist. I' sorry you missed this part of the original post "I request you do stay on topic. I think we all know a heavier Defiler plays much different, as does a heavier Cabalist build. So lets stay away from comparing those builds without addressing the versatility this build offers."

    thank you for your input

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    For your AoE macro I'd take disintegration out, you want bound fate on to spread tyranny to all enemies before blasting them all to hell with disintegration. While soloing, just 3 gcd's can bring your enemies to under half their HP, it is such an overpowered combo (granted with 4+ mobs). I've managed 8 before and only had to spam bound fate a couple of times to finish them off.

    For solo'ing rampant growth is a must. Your beacon ends up taking a pounding (even with 50% link, you'd think it was a mage) and with rampant growth, every attack you do that damages the enemy adds a stack of foul growth, then you either use feedback or LR on it and boom, full HP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galera View Post
    For your AoE macro I'd take disintegration out, you want bound fate on to spread tyranny to all enemies before blasting them all to hell with disintegration. While soloing, just 3 gcd's can bring your enemies to under half their HP, it is such an overpowered combo (granted with 4+ mobs). I've managed 8 before and only had to spam bound fate a couple of times to finish them off.

    For solo'ing rampant growth is a must. Your beacon ends up taking a pounding (even with 50% link, you'd think it was a mage) and with rampant growth, every attack you do that damages the enemy adds a stack of foul growth, then you either use feedback or LR on it and boom, full HP.
    Those are both excellent points. I found for myself the simpler macro with Disintegration in it, although less efficient was better than a separate key. And if you want this for mainly soloing Rampant Growth is absolutely a must. I drop one Hideous Reconstruction and perhaps a Loathsome Restoration, and I'm solid. But I am set to cast on target's target, which makes the heals seamless. Haven't really used Rampant Growth in runs, I would love to hear any feedback on the proc rate.

    I love the spirit of looking at this build for what it is and pointing out tweaks.

    Thanks for that input

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceodoc View Post
    If AOE damage is your goal, you would be better served going Cabalist, if you have to play Defiler (links/metamorphisis) not taking 2/2 Metamorphisis and 2/2 Rampant Growth is really bad. And if you are there to provide this proper use of defiler, you have no choice but to take the 51 point OP Unholy Nexus.

    The build does not provide all the abilities you claim.
    Rather a poor job of some of them.

    If the brief is to supply AOE damage, Links (with all their proper benefits) and some ST damage and Utility.
    Use a 51 pointer Defiler build.
    No Cab/Defiler build that HAS to supply link benefits properly, will beat Unholy Nexus AOE.
    For that reason, I think you are 22 points too deep into Defiler, links are not just about the absorb.
    At the very least move some points around to get proper link benefits.
    Your tanks will sad panda with you if you turn up as defiler and dont boost them 6% HP.

    Disintergration @ 28 Cab looks so sweet, but it just don't fit into a 51 point build.

    In summary, Defiler for even all rounder purposes is 51 or 4 (Blighted Greed) or 16 (Beacon soloing) or ofc the 61 point Cd build.
    Any other points IMHO can be spent more efficiently elsewhere.

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    You are mistaken, in general. At work, but to be brief: if you're going 51 you may as well go 54 and then 58 and then 61.

    38/36/2 will pull single target far beyond any deep cabalist build. It also will do much more dps than any 51 point build. If you *need* metamorphosis/rampant growth, you should be in a 61 point build. I would also bet that this could be very near our top aoe dps spec.

    I've used a stripped down pure dps version of the OP's build in 20 man's for fun, most encounters 61 defiler is overkill.

    And 4, 38, 40, 61 are the crucial points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grocket View Post
    You are mistaken, in general. At work, but to be brief: if you're going 51 you may as well go 54 and then 58 and then 61.

    38/36/2 will pull single target far beyond any deep cabalist build. It also will do much more dps than any 51 point build. If you *need* metamorphosis/rampant growth, you should be in a 61 point build. I would also bet that this could be very near our top aoe dps spec.

    I've used a stripped down pure dps version of the OP's build in 20 man's for fun, most encounters 61 defiler is overkill.

    And 4, 38, 40, 61 are the crucial points.

    Typing on a phone is a pain with a shattered faceplate.
    Sorry about your phone man. Here's a hint; throwing phone against a wall, actually does NOT improve it's functioning . The basic of a 38/36/2 can be morphed in any numbers of ways. I was not aware of strong DPS potential. I would like to see your point distribution. Also do you have the raid crystal, and is that Cabalist?

    Thanks for feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by Currly View Post
    Sorry about your phone man. Here's a hint; throwing phone against a wall, actually does NOT improve it's functioning . The basic of a 38/36/2 can be morphed in any numbers of ways. I was not aware of strong DPS potential. I would like to see your point distribution. Also do you have the raid crystal, and is that Cabalist?

    Thanks for feedback
    Quote Originally Posted by Grocket View Post
    Code:
    TYPE                     DURATION  DAMAGE   ENCDPS    CHARDPS   DPS       AVERAGE   MEDIAN  MINHIT  MAXHIT  CRIT%  SWINGS  AVGDELAY  
    All                      05:27     5395137  16498.89  16498.89  16498.89  5113.87   2084    603     29266   38%    1055    1.04      
    Bolt of Retribution      05:00     1544222  4722.39   4722.39   5147.41   16785.02  13192   11848   25332   39%    92      3.30      
    Scourge                  05:23     939532   2873.19   2873.19   2908.77   4605.55   5779    3179    6319    51%    204     1.59      
    Nysyr's Rebuke           05:04     733440   2242.94   2242.94   2412.63   22920.00  26630   14701   28933   63%    32      10.48     
    Bolt of Depravity        05:25     671146   2052.43   2052.43   2065.06   20973.31  25691   13939   29266   50%    32      10.48     
    Vex                      05:22     552643   1690.04   1690.04   1716.28   2722.38   2155    1947    3884    44%    203     1.59      
    Sanction                 05:20     274209   838.56    838.56    856.90    1384.89   1625    872     1760    64%    198     1.62      
    Sanction Heretic         05:22     253176   774.24    774.24    786.26    12056.00  9353    8718    17678   43%    21      16.10     
    Symbol of Corruption     05:26     200438   612.96    612.96    614.84    1684.35   2026    1130    2294    0%     119     2.83      
    Spotter's Order TEST     05:24     176155   538.70    538.70    543.69    1677.67   1731    1331    1731    0%     105     3.12      
    Behold Your Fate         05:19     23709    72.50     72.50     74.32     790.30    795     707     855     0%     30      11.00     
    Aggressive Renewal       00:03     17422    53.28     53.28     5807.33   4355.50   5590    3121    5590    50%    4       1.00      
    Conquest Master's Wrath  05:18     9045     27.66     27.66     28.44     603.00    603     603     603     0%     15      22.71
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    TYPE                     DURATION  DAMAGE   ENCDPS    CHARDPS   DPS       AVERAGE   MEDIAN  MINHIT  MAXHIT  CRIT%  SWINGS  AVGDELAY  
    All                      04:55     3994049  13539.15  13539.15  13539.15  3537.69   1613    603     62955   32%    1129    1.04      
    Disintegration           04:46     870681   2951.46   2951.46   3044.34   45825.32  35833   35833   62955   37%    19      15.89     
    Tyranny of Death         04:51     661538   2242.50   2242.50   2273.33   17408.89  13433   12391   23856   45%    38      7.86      
    Marrow Harvest           04:46     457109   1549.52   1549.52   1598.28   14745.45  12199   11323   21646   32%    31      9.53      
    Vex                      04:55     366946   1243.88   1243.88   1243.88   2016.19   1613    1613    2836    33%    182     1.63      
    Curse of Discord         04:51     358336   1214.70   1214.70   1231.40   1979.76   1556    1556    2736    36%    181     1.62      
    Siphon Vitality          04:54     356239   1207.59   1207.59   1211.70   1772.33   1415    1415    2487    33%    201     1.51      
    Bond of Pain             04:55     309044   1047.61   1047.61   1047.61   2102.34   1723    1610    3114    32%    147     2.02      
    Darkness                 04:50     184215   624.46    624.46    635.22    1023.42   778     778     1367    42%    180     1.62      
    Dark Water               04:49     183702   622.72    622.72    635.65    9668.53   7617    7203    13739   37%    19      16.06     
    Spotter's Order TEST     04:55     127776   433.14    433.14    433.14    1331.00   1331    1331    1331    0%     96      3.11      
    Bound Fate               04:08     100146   339.48    339.48    403.81    11127.33  9224    8547    16269   33%    9       31.00     
    Behold Your Fate         04:19     11684    39.61     39.61     45.11     778.93    776     702     857     0%     15      18.50     
    Conquest Master's Wrath  04:35     6633     22.48     22.48     24.12     603.00    603     603     603     0%     11      27.50
    The greatest benefit in an actual raid I think is having the majority of damage coming in 15 second intervals so MH/ToD/Disintegrate will go off during all raid cd's (wild growth and the like).

    These are with stone, vial, tablet/runes, and feast.
    Ptr parses done with my live gear.

    I haven't tested ae in a long time but I remember 36/38/2 parsing very similar to several 58 cab variants.

    And you are right, you can build these defiler/cab/inq builds in many flavors.

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    I'm slow, wtb 10 minute edit timer!

    I used the cab raid crystal, priorities used are in the pts thread.

    If I get bored ill do some ae parses later tonight after raid to be sure I'm not spouting crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grocket View Post
    I'm slow, wtb 10 minute edit timer!

    I used the cab raid crystal, priorities used are in the pts thread.

    If I get bored ill do some ae parses later tonight after raid to be sure I'm not spouting crap
    not even remotely thinking it's crap. But if you can link the build I'd love to see it. I'm sure your point distribution is considerably different. unless your reference to priorities is that (note to self check stuff before replying) Okay i took a quick look at PTS threads and didn't see it. That by no means it isn't right infront of my nose, just that I didn't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grocket View Post
    Ptr parses done with my live gear.

    I haven't tested ae in a long time but I remember 36/38/2 parsing very similar to several 58 cab variants.

    And you are right, you can build these defiler/cab/inq builds in many flavors.
    Unfortunately there is no good way to parse the AoE of cab due to tyranny of death mechanics, but when I did a while ago I got around 50k on 8 dummies self-buffed (probably much higher now). In real situations tyranny of death is exploding at various times and if you control that your DPS skyrockets. Your build is missing the points to spread Tyranny of Death with Bound Fate which is the key to this mechanic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrinnz View Post
    Unfortunately there is no good way to parse the AoE of cab due to tyranny of death mechanics, but when I did a while ago I got around 50k on 8 dummies self-buffed (probably much higher now). In real situations tyranny of death is exploding at various times and if you control that your DPS skyrockets. Your build is missing the points to spread Tyranny of Death with Bound Fate which is the key to this mechanic though.
    Shackles of Fate has both points selected. I know I'm bad, I'm really close to that bad. but I'm not quite bad enough to miss that. I appreciate your efforts and I know that a lot of people live and die by the "parse". And I am pleased to see such positive numbers from a cousin of this build. But I personally like it for the flexibility and decent performance. It's nice to know that it can be morphed into serious DPS build. Probably offering a basic familiarity with play.

    Thanks again for your contribution.

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