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    Default [2.1] (Leveling) Druidicar

    General:
    This is a melee spec which based on Druid pet tanking multi mobs while you kill them with aoe skills. This specs is not meant to be used in normal/expert dungeons or in raids. These spec are for 50+ to level in Storm Legion content.

    Leveling:
    Level 50: Druid 37 / Inquisitor 12 / Justicar 17
    http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#n...F58Ekg8/rt9gx0

    Level 53: Druid 40 / Inquisitor 12 / Justicar 17
    http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#n...F58Ekgk/rt9gx0

    Level 54: Druid 40 / Inquisitor 12 / Justicar 18
    http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#n...F58Ekgk/rv9gx0

    Level 60: Druid 40 / Inquisitor 18 / Justicar 18
    http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#n...F58Ekgk/rv9gx0

    Buffs:
    Perma/Hourly Buffs:
    • Aid of the Forest: perma buff.
    • Armor of Devotion: hourly buff.
    • Cavalier (passive)
    • Fury of the Fae: perma buff.
    • Righteous Mandate (must be cast on Pet): hourly buff.
    • Salvation (passive)
    • Trickster's Bluff: perma buff.

    Combat Buffs (for DPS+):
    • Natural Dedication: use it every 30s.
    • Thorns of Ire: use it when fighting a single mob with big HP.

    Survivability (and utility skills):
    • Doctrine of Bliss: use it when pet is dead and you are trying to get away.
    • Excommunicate: use it when pet is dead and you are trying to get away.
    • Grim Silence: Range silence & interrupt to pull caster mobs to melee range.
    • Harsh Discipline: use it when pet is tanking and you "really" have low HP.
    • Hidden Path: use it when you have too many dots/debuff on you and your pet.
    • Purge: use it if needed while fighting a single mob.
    • Shield of Oak: use it before you start pulling the mobs.
    • Slumber: use it when pet is dead and you are trying to get away.
    • Strength of the Fae: use it when pet is taking too much damage.
    • Through Step: charge.

    Attacks:
    Below are the attack skills that you will use with this build.

    Melee:
    • Combined Effort: single target 1st priority.
    • Even Justice: aoe spam.
    • Strike of Judgment: single target melee spam.

    Ranged:
    • Bolt of Judgment: filler.
    • Bolt of Radiance: filler.
    • Sanction Heretic: filler.
    • Vex: use to pull mobs.

    Macros:
    ST Macro:
    Code:
    #show Strike of Judgment
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Bolt of Radiance
    cast Strike of Judgment
    cast Sanction Heretic
    cast Bolt of Judgment
    cast Vex
    petcast **pet charge**
    petcast **pet ST attack**
    petattack
    AOE Macro:
    Code:
    #show Even Justice
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Even Justice
    petcast **pet AOE agro**
    petcast **pet AOE attack**
    petattack
    PANIC Macro:
    Code:
    #show Doctrine of Bliss
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Shield of Oak
    cast Doctrine of Bliss
    cast Hidden Path
    note: you need to adjust the macros with correct skill names for petcasts.

    Rotation:
    Use Vex (put it seperately in your skill bar) to pull mobs and use AOE Macro or ST Macro accordingly.

    Summary:
    The spec is good for AOE grinding.
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    I'm currently finding success with The Smiler build, but I'll definitely check this out and see if it's any better.

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    This is pretty similar to my grinding spec. I ended up as 48 Druid, 16 Justi, 12 Inq, basically started at what you had at 50 but had 1 point in Shroud of Agony and only one point in healers creed. Then took all the druid talents that don't effect fervent and wild strike as like you, I only use Justicar attacks. Works pretty nice.

    You do want to use Eruption of life for single target DPS. I also would use the Greater Healing Fairy as well as the tank pet.
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    You also want to use Hammer of duty at 4 convictions regardless of Single target or Aoe, It hits pretty hard.

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    Sorry about the multiple posts, but that 5 minute timer pissed me off.

    This is what I ended up at 60
    http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#n...9akal5i/rt9gxw

    I don't think Brutal impact effects Justicar attacks, as they are life not physical. So I took Spirit of the Woods instead.

    My ST macro is identical, I put "cast Combined effort" in front of Even Justice in the AoE macro.
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    Yeah, I did end up deviating from the spec a little bit and putting a couple more points into Druid. It works pretty good.

    I think I'll just go back to using The Smiler though; I like having the Shaman cooldowns and the healing from Defiler as well.
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    You can get way better dps with 44 druid/ rest inquis.

    No need for more points in Justicar; your tank pet heals himself constantly.

    You also get Soul Drain right off the bat.

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    don't mean to Pew Pew but this spec is kinda stupid, the self healing form justacar is so pathetic and your missing so much healing in druid its going to be hard to keep your pet alive on big pulls.

    the 17 points in justacar are a total waste, I.... just don't understand why people can't understand seems like It needs Yelling at anyone every time points are put into Justacar.

    SALVATION HAS BEEN NERFED
    DOCTRAINES HAVE BEEN NERFED
    ICAR IS DEAD!

    The healing from Aid the forest is enough to heal almost anything you encounter, and this procs from spirits and increases with points in Druid. the more mobs you get the more mobs your pet hits and the More healing you AND YOUR PET get.

    Druids main bonus is in the 2 Spirits. The spirits also make Aid the forest heal you both again when they tick!!

    on 5 mobs the druids Tank pet will probably do more damage than this entire build with Spirit of upheaval while healing itself and you for hideous amounts.

    The little artillery faerie set onto 5 mob mode with Spirit of upheaval is doing 15-30k dps on 5 mobs at 60, and has enough healing to survive almost anything.
    your also missing 15% damage bonus for both you and your pet single target.


    Drop justacar... really

    I would suggest (well I would actually suggest 10 shaman but...)

    at 50 http://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#n8ig/DkF4kElkaA/md

    15% more damage from gifts
    15% more damage from combined effort
    42% more pet damage
    56% more pet healing
    stacking 15% pet crit every attack (since pet does over 50% of your damage this is alot)
    Shroud of Agony for some reactive damage
    Sign of wrath for some reactive damage (when you use your shield dof oak off gcd)
    you can also use symbol of the torch if you get bored.
    Greater faerie Seer, massive ranged dps pet with the ability to do immense aoe.
    50% less damage cooldown
    Both Spirits
    another powerful dot.


    then simply pile points into Druid as you level.

    single target

    #show Combined Effort
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Combined Effort
    cast Sanction Heretic
    cast Fervent Strike
    cast shield of oak
    petattack

    aoe
    simply mash wild strike



    Buffs:
    Perma/Hourly Buffs:
    Aid of the Forest: perma buff - all pet hits and damage heal you, including spirits.
    Armor of Devotion: hourly buff, 5% crit for you
    Fury of the Fae: perma party buff bonus SP/AP
    Trickster's Bluff: perma buff AP/SP debuff on pet hit
    Sign of Wrath: Hourly buff Deals reactive damage
    Shroud of Agony: hourly buff Deals reactive damage
    Combat Buffs (for DPS+):
    Natural Dedication: use it every 30s.
    Thorns of Ire: use it when fighting a single mob with big HP.
    Spirit of Asphodel: use on single target mobs
    Spirit of Upheaval: use on more than 1 mob
    Strength of the Fae: use when you accidentally pull 6 elites
    Survivability (and utility skills):
    Hidden Path: use it when you have too many dots/debuff on you and your pet.
    Purge: use it if needed while fighting a single mob.
    Shield of Oak: use it on cool down in your macro
    Slumber: ignore you pet will never die with spirits and 56% more healing
    Strength of the Fae: use it when pet is taking too much damage.
    Through Step: charge.




    Shaman is a great combo for massive blow, any soul spec with max points in druid and the rest in another tree will outperform.... Icar...... in both damage and survivability
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    You greatly overstate what 13 more points in druid gets you, and probably haven't even tried the listed specs. Spamming equal justice on 5 mobs gets you well over 2k HPS alone. Salvation is far from dead.

    I have both the spec that I listed, plus a 61 druid 8 shaman 7 Inq, and they perform about the same, but this spec has much greater survivability. You only notice a DPS difference on single target. Aoe, they are about equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    You can get way better dps with 44 druid/ rest inquis.

    No need for more points in Justicar; your tank pet heals himself constantly.

    You also get Soul Drain right off the bat.
    Are you still putting 16 in Justi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantaliamon View Post
    SALVATION HAS BEEN NERFED
    DOCTRAINES HAVE BEEN NERFED
    ICAR IS DEAD!
    If Justicar is so "OMG QQ NERFED" like you say it is, why does it keep me up just fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetness View Post
    Are you still putting 16 in Justi?
    No, it's 0-point justicar for root Salvation.

    Aid of the Forest is enough healing by itself to keep your tank pet alive. The 44-pt skill Spirit of Upheaval is some very nice aoe damage (since it will proc similar to soul drain, multiple times per target when there are multiple targets), and Soul Drain is just incredible as everyone knows.

    If there was a survivability issue I would definitely pick up some more Justicar, maybe with righteous mandate. However, there is no survivability issue and in many cases and I can just let my pet beat on multiple mobs while I'm mining/picking up a quest, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetness View Post
    You greatly overstate what 13 more points in druid gets you, and probably haven't even tried the listed specs. Spamming equal justice on 5 mobs gets you well over 2k HPS alone. Salvation is far from dead.

    I have both the spec that I listed, plus a 61 druid 8 shaman 7 Inq, and they perform about the same, but this spec has much greater survivability. You only notice a DPS difference on single target. Aoe, they are about equal.
    its 14 points which at 1% damage 3% pet damage and 4% pet healing is Alot just from gifts.
    as I posted the main benefit is Spirit of Upheaval

    as for the dps being the same??
    Your saying that with the build listed above with only 37 points in druid, with no Ranged druid pet, no spirit of upheaval you can do 20-30k dps on AoE?

    without touching the keyboard my pet does 15000 dps with 75% of that being spirit of Upheval on aoe

    so Yes... those extra 14 points make a MASSIVE difference because your missing one of the core aoe talents of the soul


    Healing wise
    for me Salvation with all talents taken heals for 400, and 800 with the justacar 4 set bonus.

    so on single target fight without the 4 set (since this is a leveling build) your healing for "at max" on single target 400 every 1.5 seconds.
    I make that around 270 hps.. not 2k?

    Aid of the forest in the spec I listed heals me for 264 hits twice on every pet hit every tick of the pets dot and instant, I get about 1320 hps

    on an aoe fight I am sure Justicar cleave can hit 5 targets heals for half this so 200, on 5 targets gives you 1000 every 1.5 seconds giving you 600 hps

    meantime Aid of the forest the pet is hitting 5 mobs with aoe, then another 5 with spirit of upheaval, and on ticks and instants giving around 3960 with the pets 1s global thats 3960 hps.



    whats funny about this whole thing is if your really really unable to leave Icar alone... you can still take Max points in druid, 15 points in another tree and 0 points in justacar
    AND get salvation zooomg
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    easy way to test.
    keep jumping off stuff till your on 1000 hp...

    turn on Fae Dispersion, Spirit of upheval and Aid the forest.. tell your pet to attack 5 things/dummys..

    in the brief time I wasn't at full hp I went from about 8000 hps in the opening volly to 5200 hps then hit full hp.

    this.. also heals the pet!
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    My build has both aid of the forest and spirit of upheaval, plus the Salvation heals.

    Your build 61 Druid 13 Inq, 2 Puri----------------------My Build 48 Druid, 12 Inq, 16 Justicar
    Self buffed same gear
    SP 4349-------------------------------------------------------SP 4421
    SC 1637-------------------------------------------------------SC 1678

    Tooltips:
    Crushing Force 7843-8669-------------------------------7692-8502
    Combined Effort 7648-8453-------------------------------7125-7875
    Eruption of Life 2279-2519-------------------------------2238-2475
    Fervent Strike 3823-4225-------------------------------Strike of Judgement 3732-4125
    Wild Strike 2294-2535-------------------------------Even Justice 2239-2475

    Beating on 5 level 60 target dummies with Tank pet on Aoe in Tempest Bay by just spamming Aoe macro
    18.8K------------------------------------------------------------17.2K

    Yes, going 61 points Druid is more DPS than 48 Druid, but not by a lot.
    I get both the Aid of the Forest and Upheaval heals as well as the Mandate heals on the pet and the salvation heals.

    You are correct on HPS calculations for Salvation solo. If you have people grouped with you, it is 600 HPS x 5 = 3k HPS, I've run this build as support with the Fairy Healer in 5 man's, and that is why I quoted 2k+HPS.

    You are trading a bit of DPS for better survivability. Not so important at level 60, but while leveling, my spec was tanking onslaughts with not much issue.

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