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    Default List of % of max hp healing skills which bypass the 4.3 heal modifier

    So, since Refuge demanded a list and I can't find the one I already posted (which also was incomplete, so whatever), here we go:

    Following skills bypass the 4.3 heal modifier

    Rogue

    Planar Rejuvenation - Riftstalker
    Legendary Planar Rejuvenation - Riftstalker
    Life Insurance - Physician
    Legendary Life Insurance - Physician


    Warrior

    No Permission to Die - Warlord
    Touch of Life - Paladin

    Primalist

    Ram - Titan
    Legendary Ram - Titan
    Thread of Fate - Farseer
    Legendary Thread of Fate - Farseer
    Shifting Winds - Dervish
    Savage Excitement - Maelstrom (on top, the ICD stated in tooltip doesn't exist)

    Cleric

    Legendary Flash of the Phoenix - Purifier
    Judicial Privilege - Inquisitor
    Reprieve - Justicar
    Legendary Aggressive Avarice - Defiler
    Legendary Summon: Faerie Healer - Druid
    Ravaging Darkness - Cabalist

    Mage

    Soothing Waters - Arbiter
    Reclaim Elements - Elementalist (this one is kinda weird. 100% heal which heals only slightly more than a 50% heal in this list. But still, heals more than it should)

    Also: All Battle Rez (don't change that), lvl 65 trinkets, Reliquaries, all kind of healing pots

    % of Max HP skills which don't bypass the 4.3 healing modifier

    Rogue

    Emergency Response - Physician
    Defensive Posture - Bladedancer (adjusted in 4.4 hotfix #2)
    Planebound Aegis - Riftstalker (most likely borked because of the terrible absorb scaling)
    Planar Replenishment - Lvl 61 Mastery (adjusted in 4.4 hotfix #2)
    Planar Variation - Lvl 65 Mastery

    Warrior

    Enduring Survival - Lvl 61 Mastery (adjusted in 4.4 hotfix #2)
    Power Variation - Lvl 65 Mastery

    Primalist

    Exhileration - Lvl 61 Mastery
    Ancestral Force - Lvl 65 Mastery

    Cleric

    Harsh Discipline - Inquisitor
    Vicar's Resilence - Lvl 61 Mastery
    Soul Stream - Lvl 65 Mastery

    Mage

    Essence Surge - Chloromancer
    Transcendent Abjuration - Frostkeeper
    Legendary Transcendent Abjuration - Frostkeeper
    Eternal Preservation - Frostkeeper
    Legendary Eternal Preservation - Frostkeeper
    Life Leech - Warlock
    Legendary Life Leech - Warlock
    Draining Bolt - Warlock
    Legendary Draining Bolt - Warlock
    Overflowing Vitality - Lvl 61 Mastery
    Phantom Stream - Lvl 65 Mastery

    I decided to take in the Lvl 61. Masteries even tho they scale with endurance, but 2 of them (Rogue/Warrior) got "correctly modified" with Defensive Posture in 4.4 Hotfix #2. So I conclude that those (List #2) are the values which are intended. The %max hp healing skills are a complete mess. Some seem to be completely modified (List #2), some completely bypass the 4.3 modifier, some have partly reductions, some scale with passive healing from other trees, while others don't. A Suggestion: Revert the modifiers (both damage and heal) back to pre 4.3, "incorrectly modify" list #2 or exchange %max hp skills with regular healing skill values (except for Battle Rez) and let all classes have some fun again. Start balancing from this point with new pvp reductions, so it won't affect pve players. Also bring back Manadrain, Dom is Life.
    I'm aware that mostlikely nothing will happen in the near future but well, it's worth a try.
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    So I did a bit of testing with you on the inquisitor, to give some percentage values with this:

    Faerie healing: Heals 12% of maximum hp (3% in pvp), this is still currently 3%, so not affected by 4.3

    Judicial Privilege: Healing 10% each stack, 5 stacks, so 50% altogether. In PvP this is 5% per stack (like many % based heals, they were halved prior to 4.3) , so 25% altogether, therefore also not affected by 4.3

    Harsh Discipline: Heals 15% over 3 seconds. I believe this used to do something, so probably again 7.5%, but now it only does 0.7% of my hp so clearly drastically affected by 4.3



    I can understand now why I hear so many raging about 4.3. As disso has stated, these actual changes benefitted the most OP specs more than it did to others. It also didn't make much sense to nerf heals this hard, so they become utterly useless.

    All in all, it's an absolute mess. It should be reverted back to what it was before 4.3, and then re-evaluated.

    Healing effusion doing less that 1% is an absolute travesty of engineering. It's so disgusting I don't want to think about it. I'm going back to my safe haven of achievement hunting, I'm feeling sick in the mouth already talking about it.


    Edit: I also have just realised I never pvp'ed before 4.3, so explains why I had no idea about all these changes.
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    So with more testing on cleric specifically, unfortunately I have to say almost everything you said is wrong. Most of the abilities are effected by 4.3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Refuge View Post
    So with more testing on cleric specifically, unfortunately I have to say almost everything you said is wrong. Most of the abilities are effected by 4.3.
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    Edit: I also have just realised I never pvp'ed before 4.3, so explains why I had no idea about all these changes.
    Bold claim.
    How did you test it? Magically went back to 4.2 and compared it?

    All healing abilities which don't scale with max hp are effected by 4.3. Also all abilities under my point "% of Max HP skills which don't bypass the 4.3 healing modifier" are effected. The others heal for the same value they did before.
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    Hey you're still here! XD Nice to see you. Ye tbh, I read your post wrong, I thought the second half was all about % based abilities that did bypass, and the first bit was none % based abilities, my bad. I apologise.

    But.. Legendary Avarice is definitely affected by the 4.3 modifier, at 5 stacks it healed about 2% max.

    As I said in the previous post Judicial Privilege is being affected by some kind of reduction, just not by the extremity of most of the % based stuff. Maybe this was the case pre 4.3.

    Also I'm adamant at the fact that Faerie healer is reduced as intended, it's not affected by the overall blow of 4.3 but it has its own individual reduction for PvP stated in the tooltip, and has been changed over several patches to reflect this.

    I've not had a chance to try Ravaging Darkness, but wouldn't be surprised if it worked similar to Defiler.

    Legendary Flash of the Phoenix is a complete mess under certain conditions. It's healing a ridiculous amount. This was likely due to one of Trion's last class balances that effected this ability and didn't bother to put any healing reductions on it. In fact, it's even worse, it's affected by multipliers too. 50% heal then an 80% heal after 6 seconds. More OP than primalists!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Refuge View Post
    Hey you're still here! XD Nice to see you. Ye tbh, I read your post wrong, I thought the second half was all about % based abilities that did bypass, and the first bit was none % based abilities, my bad. I apologise.

    But.. Legendary Avarice is definitely affected by the 4.3 modifier, at 5 stacks it healed about 2% max.

    As I said in the previous post Judicial Privilege is being affected by some kind of reduction, just not by the extremity of most of the % based stuff. Maybe this was the case pre 4.3.

    Also I'm adamant at the fact that Faerie healer is reduced as intended, it's not affected by the overall blow of 4.3 but it has its own individual reduction for PvP stated in the tooltip, and has been changed over several patches to reflect this.

    I've not had a chance to try Ravaging Darkness, but wouldn't be surprised if it worked similar to Defiler.

    Legendary Flash of the Phoenix is a complete mess under certain conditions. It's healing a ridiculous amount. This was likely due to one of Trion's last class balances that effected this ability and didn't bother to put any healing reductions on it. In fact, it's even worse, it's affected by multipliers too. 50% heal then an 80% heal after 6 seconds. More OP than primalists!
    Yeah I'm still there from time to time, somehow can't give up hope :P I actualy had a conversation with a buddy yesterday, who had a similar issue so i take it as my bad and bolded the 2 "headlines"
    About Legendary Avarice - I was pretty sure it isn't reduced but maybe I made a mistake in my notes, I'll also look into that again to be sure, once i feel like doing it :P

    About Legendary Faerie Healer - I'm absolutely sure it doesn't follow the 4.3 modification since in serveral specs we made it tick for up to 12k per swing. It got a PvP reduction, that is correct. My oppionion about LFH is, frankly, it shouldn't have gotten a PvP reduction in first place. It was fine. I put it there for a complete list, if it actualy should be further reduced is another topic.(I think it would be terrible)

    About Ravaging Darkness - This should work like listed.

    About Legendary Flash of the Phoenix - Remember some months ago, when i told you that Cleric is actualy worse than Primalist, regarding heal passing, just that nobody is doing it yet? Well, that was what I was talking about :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by disso1 View Post
    About Legendary Flash of the Phoenix - Remember some months ago, when i told you that Cleric is actualy worse than Primalist, regarding heal passing, just that nobody is doing it yet? Well, that was what I was talking about :P
    Haha yes, I was doing some experimentation the other day as I was noticing a warrior do some crazy 30 second heals too. I didn't think Warriors could do this, so I thought just possibly Clerics had something similar. Then I remembered the change they made to Phoenix and tried it. Low and behold, a ridonculous heal (once I tweaked a few things which I'm sure you know what I'm talking about).

    I will continue to play dps out of decency, but if any of those lame healers come against me, I'll certainly give a taste of their own medicine ^^
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