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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaybae View Post
    What ''data'' are you referring to?
    The data comes from the leaderboards each week. It is pretty easy to tell which classes are the outliers by compiling both EU/NA on live. I don't know about prime PvP. The leaderboards have been sort of "broken" lately in the fact that it gets reset each week but if it were left to run continuously, I bet you would see a sea of mostly yellow, and blue for kb streaks and total warfront healing.

    Edit: In fact I just went on NA and EU and it is legitly like that still and it was like this almost 6 months ago which was the last time I did that. Cleric has its qualities but I can't see anyone on the list being OP with cleric. I tend not to believe that they are OP until it is proven on the leader boards. So whatever super secret spec Cleric has seems to be nonexistent or something misinterpreted like power ups or certain soul mechanics like defiler which can deal damage to itself and heal itself continuously because that is how it plays so they can get big leaderboard numbers since even if they are out of harms way they take damage from themselves continuously. That was something I argued against back when they revamped Defiler and so far its been an on going problem and being misinterpreted both on live and prime. They are really easy to shut down actually especially with aoe cleanses and a simple addon that tells you when to cleanse.
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    I thought I might have been attacked for that, I was just trying to make a point about the current player base left, I wasn't trying to come across as arrogant.

    I'm not sure how leader boards could show anything useful, as it's all cumulative rather than averages. I top quite a few of them, simply because I probably PvP far more than most in the past few weeks.

    I don't know of any secret cleric build either, I have a feeling that statement didn't hold any weight.

    Warriors are also incredibly strong in the right hands, and they also have several specs at their disposal. I wouldn't stand much of a chance vs Guelone for example, but he's a direct counter to any class trying to kite, so that's a given. I don't know much about how other classes work, but sometimes I see decent players run away from a 1vs1 sometimes I see them attack (no relation to objectives), I'm going for a crude assumption then that they rely heavily on cds for the burst.
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    Bring back Assasin/Nightblade build. Which I perfected before the stupid Storm Legion Update. Blade Dancer for years sucked. Nerfing any class sucks.
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    Give the people what they really want, That's Conquest---> (On LIVE server).. Leave everything else alone.


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    yes, a lagfest with pve objectiv. that's all we want

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    I would laugh, if it weren't so sad. Easily one of the best MMOs of all-time - destroyed by the company, banning community members for no reason, cheaters allowed to run rampant.

    Annnnnd... yep - because of all of their inaction, design "choices", etc - they can't maintain a large enough playerbase to run their business in the black.

    I wonder, how many millions were lost by players quitting simply because ballzofsteel was allowed to exploit for a year? How many?

    And that's just one example of their terrible decisions. But, we gripe about pvp too much for them to properly address our concerns. Well, bye Felicia.

    Remember, put Trion on all your resumes so none of us hire you. Because really, we don't want our projects to die like you let every aspect of Rift die.
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    Bummer. Pantheon hired Brasse to pre-emptively destroy their online community, like she did here. Ashes of Creation it is then...

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    Wonder with all this work they play on doing in the next few weeks to pvp, if they plan on tackling bladedancer at all considering how broken it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmmpvp View Post
    Wonder with all this work they play on doing in the next few weeks to pvp, if they plan on tackling bladedancer at all considering how broken it is.
    I'd like to know what changes they will make as well. Some souls really outshine all the rest in pvp, and I'm sure in pve as well. They can't seem to get scaling down, nor understand how tunneling everyone into wanting the same stat (mostly crit damage) explodes souls that have inherent crit% with low global CD while setting souls without way behind.

    Notch down bladedancer, farseer, and warlord and that would work wonders just to more equalize things. Probably need to look at primalist afterwards too. If they don't "fix" farseer, I'm not sure how they can balance the other healers.

    Seeing how many people get on the forums compared to the old days, however, has me majorly concerned no one is left for the changes.

    Fixing the pve earrings was a good step, though, since the top dps souls were just even more monstrous with the added stats. I'm sure they still need a ways to go.

    How's the boost in dps working out for the game? I'm sure it killed healers completely-at least thats my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrastion View Post
    How's the boost in dps working out for the game? I'm sure it killed healers completely-at least thats my guess.

    You are fine with healing in Primalist, Warrior and Rogue. They are still strong healers and dps. These three classes are broken and OP on many fronts. Gamigo can spend a decade trying to correct them and all you will get are meta shifts between the three. They are better off breaking cleric and mages so the game is balanced. That is how bad it is with class balance. Rogue and Warrior and Primalist would need 50% nerfs in PvP on many of the outlier abilities or talents both in DPS and healing. An overall speed cap in warfronts should be looked into as well.
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    Pretty sure no one from the Rift dept. reads anything in the pvp threads sadly. Feels like we are getting the same effort from gamigo like we did with trion in the pvp aspect of this game. They tease us with a little dab of work getting done, then just put it on the back burner after. Don't think they realize if they improve pvp that people will actually come back to this game.
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    The Whole reason why this thread was started in the first place was because of just one person, thanks Ballzofsteal!!! R.I.P.
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    Hey, you guys need a cleric?! OH wait, no wheelchair access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmmpvp View Post
    The Whole reason why this thread was started in the first place was because of just one person, thanks Ballzofsteal!!! R.I.P.
    Nivlak still plays BD with a similar exploitive build. Nothing against him I would do it to if I played Rogue in PVP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesDSneed View Post
    Nivlak still plays BD with a similar exploitive build. Nothing against him I would do it to if I played Rogue in PVP.
    The killing power change for the classes. Back then BD had no competition in killing power. Clerics and to less extent mage still need more killing power to threaten the other classes but these class devs don't understand how to balance classes even on just one of the many ways they need to balance them. It is safe to admit that they can have 50+ years of experience and they will never ever see how to change the many factors properly so the most players that ever played their game enjoy the state of the gameplay. The devs had free reign and they ruined many things. Management went oblivious on what needed to change as well and put too much faith in the devs.

    The reason why BD has fewer complaints now is actually that the killing power of primalist and warrior are much stronger. Getting into melee to kill players is much more disastrous for them. And in some sense a simple buff to the killing power of the weaker classes can essentially make BD threat far less problematic than it is in terms of balance.

    The only class that is in the most crippled state both in PvE and PvP and has been that way for over 3 years is cleric which is why Rift franchise lost 100s of 1000s of dollars. And they will always have that up and down spiral since the current meta is set in stone for so long. They also follow some ridiculous made on the fly ruleset where nerfing is better than buffing even at the cost of causing 20-50% of their player base to become disgruntled. Hence, why buffing cleric can go a long way into fixing balance. Others may feel TTK will be too low but that should come later since right now players are assuming TTK is too low when it is only one person willing to switch to heal 10-15 players majority of time and in many cases you don't even get that one healer. I would say that buffing dps class survival will actually be better than buffing healers directly to fix TTK. Healers are not common enough to verify their true potential in mass. We just can say some are out of line compared to the rest wether it be on the top or bottom spectrum.

    Remember back then Developers nerfed every other class but rogue. Primalist was nerfed(guilds actually quit with all the nerfs they took), warrior wasn't doing so well until they buffed them end of last year and changed damage in PvP, mage was OP (basically Warlock was bladedancer from max range) and got nerfed into ground but they had nothing else to compare after the early on nerfs, Cleric was destroyed as a healer and dps way back in mid of NMT and it was done indirectly and directly so they were ripped apart from many angles from direct buffs to other classes, nerfs to them and the itemization changes that were costly, broken and could not scale them correctly. And they also were attacked with nerfs on specs that forgo damage and healing like cabalist and many legendaries.
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