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    Wand and Cape CP went down from 324 to 220.

    Main stats increased to 250/170 from 213/115.
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    I`ve just opened like 200 boxes on PTS and compared the stats to pve gear.

    Looks like all dreambreaker gear got worse in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stihl View Post
    Translation: Because there are individuals that do not understand stat weights and how to min/max their character, we are literally screwing everyone who has been working since launch to gear their character properly.
    Joke's on us for thinking PvP would ever, ever be worth it in this game.

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    I am saddened by the loss in stats and will need to replace my belt with a raid piece. Not sure how this helps PvP players since certain pvp-dropped pieces will no longer be better than raid epic mark gear - meaning PvP players will need to obtain more pieces from PvE.

    If it's an issue with bolstering, couldn't you just raise the cap to include the current pvp-dropped gear?

    I do understand that most players will rely on how large their main stat is to know what is an upgrade or not.

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    Just went to the PTS and I see that the gear with high endurance still has high endurance.

    If the gear is going to get normalized, shouldn't the high endurance gear also get it's stats normalized?

    For reference, here are the new stats (for dreambreaker) I get on the several pieces SP and CP gear I have that aren't high endurance:

    - Belt
    + Old: 181 int, 98 wis, 165 SP
    + New: 213 int, 145 wis, 112 SP
    - Chest
    + Old: 241 int, 131 wis, 367 CP
    + New: 283 int, 192 wis, 249 CP
    - Wand
    + Old: 213 int, 115 wis, 324 CP
    + New: 250 int, 170 wis, 220 CP
    - Neck
    + Old: 198 int, 107 wis, 301 CP
    + New: 232 int, 158 wis, 204 CP
    - Essence 187 resist
    + Old: 145 int, 78 wis, 220 CP
    + New: 170 int, 115 wis, 150 CP
    - Boots
    + Old: 181 int, 98 wis, 165 SP
    + New: 213 int, 145 wis, 112 SP
    - Helm
    + Old: 213 int, 115 wis, 324 CP
    + New: 250 int, 170 wis, 220 CP
    - Pants
    + Old: 241 int, 131 wis, 367 CP
    + New: 283 int, 192 wis, 249 CP

    I forgot to check my main hand weapon on the PTS, but it should be the exact similar as Helm and Wand.
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    As it is few pvp items is pretty close to raid items, this change will create even more disparity between pvpers and raiders, unless new values for main stat will get really good boost.

    Im disappointed because the mroe time passes the more buffs Trion should do to pvp items to lower the disparity in gear.
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    The following are the changes for optimally distributed (main stat heavy) Dreambreaker items on the PTS.

    Concerning Bolstered Gear vs. Ephemeral or Higher Gear-pts-changes.jpg

    I personally have 6-7 fully Upgraded Dreambreaker pieces (several of which were competitive with raid quality items) which have taken more than 4 months of capping ACMs to upgrade. This change is costing me over 500 CP and in terms of character strength has effectively just emptied one of my gear slots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stihl View Post
    Do you want to make people quit? Because that's how you make people quit.
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    If this change is going to go through can we atleast get the weapon procs bumped up to expert level since they are beyond pitiful atm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artak View Post
    If this change is going to go through can we atleast get the weapon procs bumped up to expert level since they are beyond pitiful atm?
    Don't forget the Greaters which, fully upgraded, have worse procs than level 60 items that drop from minor Rifts.

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    This change will punish anyone who knows how to read a stat sheet.

    I'm with Stihl on this one, this could make people quit. As it is the grind is real, and now the grind will be wasted effort.
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    And for the sake of being thorough I went ahead and checked whether the stats received from bolstered item slots had changed. The following illustrates those changes.

    Concerning Bolstered Gear vs. Ephemeral or Higher Gear-ptsbolster1.jpg

    As you can see bolstered slots now provide less main stat but more endurance.
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    ... I switched some of my gear to PvP stuff BECAUSE of the crit power gains...

    If this change goes live, I would really prefer having all those expert gear I runebroke back OR the current dreambreaker gear gets another tier upgrade because as it stands now, I grinded for a gear that is WORSE than what I had replaced.

    Why not just touch the bolstered gear and leave the normal dreambreaker gears alone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stihl View Post
    Translation: Because there are individuals that do not understand stat weights and how to min/max their character, we are literally screwing everyone who has been working since launch to gear their character properly.
    Yeah, pretty much this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladd View Post
    Thus, when you put on a piece of Marauder/Ephemeral/Dreambreaker, you should see a noticeable improvement on your stat sheet that doesn't require a spreadsheet calculator to see if it was an upgrade or not. That is the goal of this change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stihl View Post
    The following are the changes for optimally distributed (main stat heavy) Dreambreaker items on the PTS.

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    I personally have 6-7 fully Upgraded Dreambreaker pieces (several of which were competitive with raid quality items) which have taken more than 4 months of capping ACMs to upgrade. This change is costing me over 500 CP and in terms of character strength has effectively just emptied one of my gear slots.

    Do you want to make people quit? Because that's how you make people quit.
    how are you losing crit chance when the new pieces have more main/secondary stat, giving you more? seems like you have those backwards.
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