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    Default Premades in Warfronts

    It's not fair for people who want to queue as solo just to get their daily charge done. Warfronts are full of premades now. In every match, one team roflstomps the other with ease. Most of the time just by camping near the enemy spawn with the perfect group setup.

    An easy solution..:

    *If you queue as a group, you get put against or with others who queue'd as a group.

    *If you queue as solo, you get put against or with others who queue'd as solo.

    I wouldn't mind being in a queue for 30mins if it meant i joined a match where both teams had an equal chance to win.

    (Of course, people who join premades are going to disagree with this post. Because right now it is so easy for them to farm warfront wins).

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    the game does actually attempt to match premades against premades.

    while im not a huge fan of premades vs pugs its easy to see why people do it, i mean why wouldnt you wanna play with people you can count. im my opinion pvp is pretty bad right now im seeing alot more clueless players than i;ve seen in a long time.

    the same reason people dont pug dungeons is the same reason some people run premades.

    a trick to avoiding them is to add them to your friends list, that way you know what maps they are in and u can prevent from being matched against them over and over.

    also make some friends form your own

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    reduce the number of players to join cq in group from 20 to 5 and the problem does not longer exist, but this is too difficult for trion, as so many other bad things in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daddl View Post
    reduce the number of players to join cq in group from 20 to 5 and the problem does not longer exist, but this is too difficult for trion, as so many other bad things in this game.
    Warfronts and conquests are not the same. Warfronts ARE limited to 5 so...

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    Erm.. he was asking about WFs not CQ but I get what you mean.

    Until a system (if ever) can be implemented to prevent this, premades will just have a grindfest against solo queue people. It would be great if you solo qued and got teamed up with the premade, and bad luck if against them. That's just how pvp is nowadays.

    I can't recall how many times I have randomly qued to see the score 100+ vs 500+... that's like... a HUGE difference lol.

    Also doesn't help that your team instantly gives up when they realized they are against a premade. Sheesh. Whatever happened to fight till the last? Actually, don't answer that, I don't think I want to know.
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    For warfronts,

    If you queue with a party of 1-2 folks, u wont be considered as premade

    As soon as u Queue with 3+, You get in premade queues, and you will generally face an other premade, prolly 90% of the time

    its kinda rare, that u get to play vs all pugs

    I used to group queue with guildies, but they were not as geared/skilled
    And, was generally getting demolished by premades

    Yes, its pretty annoying when u fight a demolishing team of 5 very solid pvpers
    But it happens, Keep in mind,

    Sometimes, u will be on their team,

    There's average premades too, not every premades are super nasty

    If you are lucky, u can get pretty solid pugs

    Lately, what i feel its strange,

    Is that either one team is very strong, and the other very bad, there's couple balanced tight matches, but its generally lopsided

    Lots of people dont understand the strats of the warfronts they play in
    Playing defense, focusing on objectives, knowing who and when to cc

    Anyhow, i made a PVP guide, like 2-3 months ago, I shall find it, and repop it
    It can be very useful for the average joe

    I see so many people that are clueless in pvp, and only chase red dots

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    Another way Trion can reduce the impact is to disable or limit (to 2 or 3 ppl) premades when WF queues are low. I rarely have problems with premades during weekends server peaks.
    Last edited by Observers; 01-22-2015 at 01:14 AM.

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    A more drastic option.

    Add a tick box that says "Exclude pre-mades" and only get put into warfronts with 100% solo queued players.

    Pre-mades obviously wouldn't have the luxury of selecting that.

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    We allready had this discusion over here:
    http://forums.riftgame.com/general-d...-congratz.html

    My statemant is as always. Find friends, join a guild, stop crying.

    We all know why thats such a big problem for you guys to face "premades".

    But firstly let me tell you this: You guys completely missuse the term "premade". As long as PvP exists it is used as a word to discribe well composed groups of great playing pvp players. But this groups are not your problem, because they are rare nowadays. Your problems are the "we join together to have fun together" groups, that firstly are not stomping anyone because their skill level is same as yours and secondly know the same about pvp as the most "single" joining players. There are many ways to find groups like that, but that involves something some players nowadays dont want: grouping together and socialising with other humans. But they forget that THIS is what all about MMORPGs are.

    And now let me tell you why people like you cry about this and demand "single-player" options for PvP. Not because they want to make any PvP or contribute to any PvP scorings. They just want to fasten the weekly quests and daily charge to get as fast as possible the biggest Lootz they can get. And how fast could it be when there was only the PvP singleplayer option.

    But that is not how that works. You cannot destroy the complete fun of players, playing MMOs like they are meant to be played just for your own ego and greed. There are many players that are joining PvP as "single-player" but they contribute with teamplay to the win and you wont see them here crying on the forums. If you dont want to PvP, than dont do it.. There is no god that forces you to do that. But don't expect Warfronts to be easy with zero effort from your side.

    If Trion would think about a "singleplayer" option, i would give them this advice:
    Make the reward the same PvE Players get for singleplayer content. Give Boxes that drop stuff like the chronicles do. Remove the weekly and daily charge for this kind of option. As like in PvE you cannot finish any Expert or Raid without a group. Maybe than you guys would be happy because you get that reward for that effort you put into PvP.
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    "Lots of people dont understand the strats of the warfronts they play in
    Playing defense, focusing on objectives, knowing who and when to cc"

    Thats the reason why or why you don't dominate a warfront as single Player!
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    The issue is not premades at current time. The gear/ stats differences is the problem. If 2 raiders que together it takes 3-4 blue geared players to counter them. You spread that across a control point map and the team with less raiders will loose, simply because they can not cover the whole map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esc2heaven View Post
    My statemant is as always. Find friends, join a guild, stop crying.
    I wondered when one of you would show up..

    So what you're saying to people who prefer to lonewolf queue is.. Don't waste your time doing pvp.

    Ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wackywoo View Post
    *If you queue as a group, you get put against or with others who queue'd as a group.
    this happens 99% of the time, with solo pugs included on both teams.

    however, not all premades are equal, and many inferior premades are quitters.

    I guarantee you that when you are getting roflstomped at your spawn by a premade, you started the match with a premade on your team too.

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    Or to put it more simply, it doesn't matter if you're topping the charts if you're killing the wrong people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wackywoo View Post
    It's not fair for people who want to queue as solo just to get their daily charge done. Warfronts are full of premades now. In every match, one team roflstomps the other with ease. Most of the time just by camping near the enemy spawn with the perfect group setup.

    An easy solution..:

    *If you queue as a group, you get put against or with others who queue'd as a group.

    *If you queue as solo, you get put against or with others who queue'd as solo.

    I wouldn't mind being in a queue for 30mins if it meant i joined a match where both teams had an equal chance to win.

    (Of course, people who join premades are going to disagree with this post. Because right now it is so easy for them to farm warfront wins).

    So you think just because everyone queue solo the balance is better ? Plz tell me how you balance "Players" ?

    and i rofled a bit " dont mind 30 min. queues", if you dont mind the wait why do you mind losing ? Since you queue solo, playing next to other players instead of with them, you cant mind winning that much either...
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    Wednesday nights are brutal for PuGs. It's simply like this: 5 man PreMade. What happens then with TRION's touted WF balance. Next 5 people regardless go to other team? It's not hard to figure out the facerolling coming with that. PreMades need their own Q so friends and guildees can get together and hold hands against some possible competition.
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