Is this the new pvp gear progression?

[wickede]

there is no pvp gear anymore its pve or go home

can we just get all of HK banned from both the forums and lvl 60 chat so i can stop seeing this crap? it's not even remotely close to true, you might want to go watch the live stream again since it seems you are very misinformed.


pvp and pve gear will be the same and players who do both will gear up faster, both pvp and pve players are against that so it's not like it's directed at pvp players to be bad. the top end pve gear will be better than the best gear you can get from pvp, HOWEVER, any gear that is better than what you can get from only doing pvp, will be bolstered down to match the level of the gear you get from only doing pvp. there is no advantage for pve players aside from possibly trinkets, which has been true for years now and nobody has complained yet.

[MoMo1]

So what is in it for PVP players. Gear that will always be sub-par. Prestige that is fluff and means nothing because it gets you nowhere. Nothing special for the dedicated PVP player just marks that you can get anytime you do SLE or chronicles.

PVP is a specialised game play but it is now trivialised as there are no goals and no special rewards that sets it apart. Little wonder that after months and even years of levelling prestige folk are upset that their efforts are relegated to being cosmetic.

We are used to gear changes but this is dismantling the whole ethos of goals and something tangible that sets this discipline apart. There is now no progression in PVP and we are entitled as folk who subbed this game for years to complain that what they are doing is bad for the PVP community.

[Repster]

Gear that is sub par? Sub par to what? Gear that is getting bolstered down in WFs and CQ? Outside of those then?

Take into account that Valor is being taken off of gear and just placed on your toon in general. No go look at live and tell what is subpar between Raid Gear and Myrm gear. Because I've got this crafted Tier 1 raid weapon here with more DPS then a Myrm weapon.

[MoMo1]

The best gear will be from raiding t3 and above. Any gear got throughPVP will subpar to that. Tell me ..what will be special for the PVP discipline? Absolutely nothing by way of reward.. No goals..nothing..completely cosmetic ranks. Why bother.

[Caeus]

Sounds like we need more scoreboards.

[wylwrk]

The best gear will be from raiding t3 and above. Any gear got throughPVP will subpar to that. Tell me ..what will be special for the PVP discipline? Absolutely nothing by way of reward.. No goals..nothing..completely cosmetic ranks. Why bother.

So your motivation to pvp is exclusively FOR gear?

[Bluntmaster]

You think that but even when rifts were progression now, people just played nice as always for the objective and/or didn't care all since dying doesn't mean anything and everyone can rez entire raids now.

Doesnt that spell have a 20 second cast time ?

[Planetx]

can we just get all of HK banned from both the forums and lvl 60 chat so i can stop seeing this crap? it's not even remotely close to true, you might want to go watch the live stream again since it seems you are very misinformed.


pvp and pve gear will be the same and players who do both will gear up faster, both pvp and pve players are against that so it's not like it's directed at pvp players to be bad. the top end pve gear will be better than the best gear you can get from pvp, HOWEVER, any gear that is better than what you can get from only doing pvp, will be bolstered down to match the level of the gear you get from only doing pvp. there is no advantage for pve players aside from possibly trinkets, which has been true for years now and nobody has complained yet.

I usually don't believe anything they say to be honest. You can believe what you want but they have changed their minds on a lot of things and have messed up quite a lot throughout SL.

Do you actually believe that what they are saying is written in stone. I can name at least 10 different instances throughout SL where they have went back on their own words or the changes they made were borderline ridiculously close to being what the player base totally didn't want.

Also, everyone complained about the pve trinket being best in slot in pvp.If noone complained about it then they wouldn't have had to go back and nerf them in pvp. That didn't even work well so instead of nerfing them or disabling them they went ahead and added their own versions of them to pvp.

A lot of veterans are still upset with this especially since Daglar actually made them re Itemize cq trinket to not be best in slot for pve.

Do you remember when the raiders were transitioning from HK to ID and how they complained about the CQ trinket?

Yes, they really re-itemize all the relic weapons etc and trinkets from HK to be on par with the next and final generation pvp weapons and trinket. HK Relic, ID epic then ID relic weaps were best in slot for pvp at the end of Vanilla Rift. Also healing was powerful enough so these items could work in pvp even with the lost of Valor.

Plus all the pve trinkets from pre SL and early SL were deactivated in PvP. Then all of a sudden the new ones that were crazy OP became activated during SL. Tell me why PvE trinkets suddenly became best in slot for pvp?

[MoMo1]

My motive for doing PVP is to get something out of it specifically related to PVP. It is another discipline of MMO in its own right. As far as I can see effort and skill is not going to be rewarded by anything but marks .. You can get those currently by SLE's. There is nothing special for the PVP just prestige which they admit is cosmetic. Remember many folks like me subbed this game before it went FTP, then went patron and even purchased the xpac with many other items in game. In one fell swoop they have trivialised the discipline and more or less told us to like it or lump it. If you don't say how unhappy we are then people will be stung time and time again. It harks back to the time when we purchased the last xpac with game time only for it to go FTP.

Oh they didn't tell us of the PVP changes before the xpac went on sale. It was under NDA on the PTS so folks have been conned again when they think they are supporting the game.

[Orgone]

This thread finally is diggin deeper into whats rly going on and what pve ers cant see and/or dont care for...

The reason I ll stay anyway is my already huge amount of cash spent into it and the very good soul system rift has...

Well the only constant thing in this world is change anyway so...

keep on keeping on

I m not even scared to duel ppl with better gear cause I learned a lot from both pve/pvp and vice versa, u still get skills from creating a small scale pvp spec which suits u best

zerg pvp was and is still the pvp focus in this game although it is a pve game NOW

However I wanted to see a 10vs10 warfront for a long time think that would be fun though

[Oddr]

So your motivation to pvp is exclusively FOR gear?

Exactly what is your motivation for pve? I guarantee that gear is one of the major reasons. Its the carrot that keeps people going back. Plus you have progression where you keep moving your imaginary needle to bigger better things, including gear.

The thing I am most disappointed by is the change to prestige. Earning prestige ranks was one of my main reasons to pvp before I hit R90 because it was a needle you could see continually move to where you could better your character. Progression is something I love in both pvp and pve. The problem is now that entire motivation has been wiped out. R100 is going to be completely meaningless now for anything other than a notch in your achievement belt.

Imagine if you complete your raiding tier and the only thing you get is a pat on the back and a "good job". Nothing other than that. No loot from that big boss you just downed. No opening for other higher end progression for your character. PVE gets new tiers of raiding with new and more powerful bosses to fight. PVE gets hard modes so even when you finish that tier of bosses, you have new ways to make it a challenge. PVP gets none of that. We get the same thing over and over with no carrot anymore to make it stay fresh to us.

[wylwrk]

The problem is now that entire motivation has been wiped out for me R100 is going to be completely meaningless now to me for anything other than a notch in my achievement belt.

That is your opinion.


I PvP exclusively. My motivation to do so is not for the gear, that's tertiary to the fun I have playing the game.

That ^ is my opinion.

PvE gear down bolstering has not been proven to make said gear better than anything a pure PvPer could get. Cite your source please?.

[Khelendross]

All gear from a tier is usable in both areas.

But we haven't had confirmation that there will be a "PvP friendly" expert level set. IE a DPS set with abnormally high endurance.

Like will there be Nightmarish warlocks gloves with 100 int and endurance and nightmarish sorcerors gloves with 80 int and 120 endurance, both featuring spell power and equal hit rating, or would the warlock version be the only option, leaving out the choice to be less of a glass cannon.

There may not be a high endurance pvp specific set. I think that is why health pools were increased so massively on the PTS. Both to increase TTK but also to make up for the fact that there may not be new "pvp oriented" gear at least at the outset.

The best gear will be from raiding t3 and above. Any gear got throughPVP will subpar to that. Tell me ..what will be special for the PVP discipline? Absolutely nothing by way of reward.. No goals..nothing..completely cosmetic ranks. Why bother.

You are obviously doing this whole pvp thing wrong if gear is your impetus.

[Manasha]

Oh they didn't tell us of the PVP changes before the xpac went on sale. It was under NDA on the PTS so folks have been conned again when they think they are supporting the game.

Yup, now we know why they waited so long to tell us about it. Normally I insta buy stuff they put up for sale but I have been uneasy about how things have been going in the game. If I had shelled out 150 dollars for the xpac I would be really upset right now... Well more so than I am now. I wanted to wait til the expansion came out to decide if this game was still worth playing. Sure glad I waited, I can use that money towards a game that suits my play style. Since after 3.0 this game will no longer fit my play style.

[Bluntmaster]

Prestige that is fluff and means nothing because it gets you nowhere.

All prestige did for you before was guarantee you maintained a gear gap on others.