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    Default PvP Mages Unite!

    We seem to be losing most of it not all of what little pvp goodies we have in our souls. SC was first on the chopping block and now pyro is being hit even harder. This is due mostly to us not being actuve in the discussion threads regarding these changes.

    Please go to Kervik's Pyro-PTS thread and post your opinions in the thread. These changes are scheduled to go live in the very near future. If enough of us do not voice our concerns then we may very well be stuck with a useless turret spec that is eaten alive by other the other classes.

    http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...er-pts-19.html

    Here is a link to the thread.

    Please note we are losing all of the following from pyro.
    1) backdraft
    2) flashfire
    3) fiery resolve
    4) fire shield

    Here is a link to Kerviks initial post on changes to the soul

    http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...ml#post4815268

    One more thing Id like to point out is a Tier 7 talent in the tree.

    Flash Burn (1 Point) – Your Scorch now stuns the enemy for 5s. Scorch cannot stun the same target more than once every 45s.

    What is the reasoning behind this? 45s is forever in pvp.

    So lets all try to guve some constructive criticism and salvage what we can before its too late.
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    Emm... because it a pve rework.. doh...

    Good pyros will kick ***(cause p90 with pockets vs p50 bolster), bad ones will be Debiliated 80% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landstalker View Post
    We seem to be losing most of it not all of what little pvp goodies we have in our souls. SC was first on the chopping block and now pyro is being hit even harder.
    Yeah...Stormcaller is so bad now that it has more than snares and a knockback.
    That AoE purge + pull.
    Buff to RtW, maintaining icy vortex, wind chill being slightly better.
    So...so bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Landstalker View Post

    Flash Burn (1 Point) – Your Scorch now stuns the enemy for 5s. Scorch cannot stun the same target more than once every 45s.

    What is the reasoning behind this? 45s is forever in pvp.
    You can no longer use heatwave to reset flashfire.
    So without the reset, the cooldown would be
    *drum rolls*
    45 seconds between flashfire stuns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katosu View Post
    Yeah...Stormcaller is so bad now that it has more than snares and a knockback.
    That AoE purge + pull.
    Buff to RtW, maintaining icy vortex, wind chill being slightly better.
    So...so bad.



    You can no longer use heatwave to reset flashfire.
    So without the reset, the cooldown would be
    *drum rolls*
    45 seconds between flashfire stuns.

    RTW was better before when it had no CD.
    Lol storm armor. Its horrible wont save you at all.

    Yea the tooltip is just even more of a way for Clever trolling of pvp mages by Trion then. Why even have it in the tooltip at all? Nice way to avoid the fact that pyro did get gutted.

    Also I was unaware that the devs at Trion were only capable of reading one forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katosu View Post
    Yeah...Stormcaller is so bad now that it has more than snares and a knockback.
    That AoE purge + pull.
    Buff to RtW, maintaining icy vortex, wind chill being slightly better.
    So...so bad.



    You can no longer use heatwave to reset flashfire.
    So without the reset, the cooldown would be
    *drum rolls*
    45 seconds between flashfire stuns.
    61 stormcaller is so bad..... but you'd be suprised what you can build from the bottom of the tree =)
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    can pull way more damage from dom/stormcaller than pure 61 stormcaller and be destroying everyones resources at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathstormer View Post
    can pull way more damage from dom/stormcaller than pure 61 stormcaller and be destroying everyones resources at the same time.
    That might actually be true if more than half a dominator's abilities weren't Death damage.

    You need at least 40 in SC (ideally 41) to pick up Storm Locus, Supercharge and Colliding Storm if you actually want to do damage, and 36 in Dom to get AP. 36 in Dom means no instant cast Storm Shackle or Exhaustion, and of the 4 spells that actually deal air damage, Neural Prod is redundant, Storm Shackle is AOE and thus does not benefit from Storm Armor/electrified stacks, Thunder Blast and Volatic Feedback can also be gotten by a 61 SC.

    You might want to explain how that will ever out-damage 61 SC in PVP. (not that you should be using 61 SC outside of CQ anyway)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xallista View Post
    That might actually be true if more than half a dominator's abilities weren't Death damage.

    You need at least 40 in SC (ideally 41) to pick up Storm Locus, Supercharge and Colliding Storm if you actually want to do damage, and 36 in Dom to get AP. 36 in Dom means no instant cast Storm Shackle or Exhaustion, and of the 4 spells that actually deal air damage, Neural Prod is redundant, Storm Shackle is AOE and thus does not benefit from Storm Armor/electrified stacks, Thunder Blast and Volatic Feedback can also be gotten by a 61 SC.

    You might want to explain how that will ever out-damage 61 SC in PVP. (not that you should be using 61 SC outside of CQ anyway)
    Wut? has nothing to do with any of this. Stormcaller has a heap of AE dots and hence AE dummies for your Dom drains. Smart stacking makes dom drains un-cleansable(not with AE cleanse at least). Between pain armor, CC, and drains Dom's are stupidly OP atm. And drains just got a whole lot easier to keep on with the SC updates
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    Oh yeah and if you backstack as i like to call it on the ae dot rotation with trans last you watch the physicians fold ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathstormer View Post
    Wut? has nothing to do with any of this. Stormcaller has a heap of AE dots and hence AE dummies for your Dom drains. Smart stacking makes dom drains un-cleansable(not with AE cleanse at least). Between pain armor, CC, and drains Dom's are stupidly OP atm. And drains just got a whole lot easier to keep on with the SC updates
    Heaps? The only AE "DOT" (aka cleansable) SC has is Living Storm. Hailstorm is a GTAE 10s AE spell, and Lightning Storm is a targetted channel. Neither count as a proper, cleansable DOT.

    If you are talking about Traitorous Influence, you already have plenty of AE skills to spread them with as a 61 Dom, I not sure what you gain from doing a Dom/SC hybrid instead of just going 61 Dom/15 SC. And even then you will not pull anywhere near as much overall damage compared to a 61 SC, but that's not the point of Doms to begin with.

    I'm still confused on what miracle combo you're trying to describe here.

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    When compared to other AoE specs (Cab, Sab, Tact, Dom) SC has no CC and low DPS and is annoyingly squishy. At 90 with full Myrm gear it registers at low mid of the entire WF pack with no KB. The only use for the spec is to annoy people at cap flag points or keep from picking up fang or relic. And then if they find you, you are roadkill.

    DPS should be doubled to make the AoE any serious threat to anyone. Its laughable bad now.

    Here's an idea - make the DPS of the SC the inverse of Physician heals.........


    Pyro is squishy also but at least can keep pace with the Rog DPS specs. It isn't as good as sin or NB.


    I find it hard to believe they would really consider nerfing a spec that isn't as good as the other DPS specs out there. But here we are.....epic bad idea.


    Its ok tho....I hav a 90 rog.....and we never have too many of those guys in a WF.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xallista View Post
    Heaps? The only AE "DOT" (aka cleansable) SC has is Living Storm. Hailstorm is a GTAE 10s AE spell, and Lightning Storm is a targetted channel. Neither count as a proper, cleansable DOT.

    If you are talking about Traitorous Influence, you already have plenty of AE skills to spread them with as a 61 Dom, I not sure what you gain from doing a Dom/SC hybrid instead of just going 61 Dom/15 SC. And even then you will not pull anywhere near as much overall damage compared to a 61 SC, but that's not the point of Doms to begin with.

    I'm still confused on what miracle combo you're trying to describe here.
    yes yes hailstorm doesn't have a snare affect. Who said Hybrid? Maybe you should look at sh*t instead of theorycrafting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xallista View Post
    Heaps? The only AE "DOT" (aka cleansable) SC has is Living Storm. Hailstorm is a GTAE 10s AE spell, and Lightning Storm is a targetted channel. Neither count as a proper, cleansable DOT.

    If you are talking about Traitorous Influence, you already have plenty of AE skills to spread them with as a 61 Dom, I not sure what you gain from doing a Dom/SC hybrid instead of just going 61 Dom/15 SC. And even then you will not pull anywhere near as much overall damage compared to a 61 SC, but that's not the point of Doms to begin with.

    I'm still confused on what miracle combo you're trying to describe here.
    And living storm is not an AE dot. The effect only stays on the person you first cast it on but it is a good ST dummy. And it "sounds" like TI/mass betrayal. So you can get a lot of trigger happy cleansers AE cleansing nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathstormer View Post
    yes yes hailstorm doesn't have a snare affect. Who said Hybrid? Maybe you should look at sh*t instead of theorycrafting it.
    Storm Shackle has snare too, what's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by deathstormer View Post
    can pull way more damage from dom/stormcaller than pure 61 stormcaller and be destroying everyones resources at the same time.
    Since when does:
    [Dom/SC] vs [61 SC] = [61 Dom + sub SC] vs [61 SC]?

    How about you state your points properly before talking sh*t too?
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    Thank you guys for posting in the pyro pts thread. We were met with some success thankfully kervik posted the following:


    Fusillade now gives 30 Charge on cast.
    Flame Volley now gives 15 Charge on cast.
    Increased the duration of Accelerant to 15s.
    Increased the absorb value of Burning Shield. This ends up being a little over double the previous value for the shield.
    Innate Charge now also gives Internalize Charge a 10/20/30% chance, when hit, to apply a shield that absorbs damage up to the value of 10% of the caster’s Maximum Health for 10s. This effect can occur up to once every 30s.


    I still think we should continue to lobby for backdraft. Would hate to see us lose such a great ability.
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