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Thread: In class comparison, Warlord V Champion

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    Default In class comparison, Warlord V Champion

    Heres the screenie:

    http://postimg.org/image/wa94b8rrx/


    As far as I understand it, Champion is the warrior souls dedicated AoE spec.

    If this were true (which is not the case) then why does a Warlord pull effectively double the damage?

    As you can see in the screenshot:

    Warlord has twice the damage
    The healing is relatively equal
    The kill death ratio is relatively equal
    The damage taken is relatively equal

    The spec I used was 61 champion, with a little paragon (turn the blade inactive) for more deeps/crit chance and a little riftblade (primarily for the blade buff)

    Effectively a pure 61 champion "AoE" damage spec.

    The facts however are clearly evident.

    Not only is warlord somewhat more durable (Try playing both you'll feel the difference straight away) but it also has both better ST dps AND better AoE dps.

    It also has a leap back that refreshes.

    Pulls (which are extremely game breaking)

    And the ability to defer death.

    Another clear example of how totally broken Warlord is in respect of even souls within its own calling.
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    Spiderman, Spiderman.

    In class comparison, Warlord V Champion-spider-man-2.jpg

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    It just looks like Omniback outperformed you. Guess that's why you want his soul nerfed.

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    The leap back argument is invalid every warrior has a leap back in pvp with thunderous leap. Put it on a @gtae macro and target friendly healer to assist them or jump to them to get out of the battle.

    Thunderous leap is by far the best movement tool warriors have. You can use it on every pvp spec and jump up cliffs in black garden, codex and karthan ridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V1rul3n7 View Post
    Heres the screenie:

    http://postimg.org/image/wa94b8rrx/


    As far as I understand it, Champion is the warrior souls dedicated AoE spec.

    If this were true (which is not the case) then why does a Warlord pull effectively double the damage?

    As you can see in the screenshot:

    Warlord has twice the damage
    The healing is relatively equal
    The kill death ratio is relatively equal
    The damage taken is relatively equal

    The spec I used was 61 champion, with a little paragon (turn the blade inactive) for more deeps/crit chance and a little riftblade (primarily for the blade buff)

    Effectively a pure 61 champion "AoE" damage spec.

    The facts however are clearly evident.

    Not only is warlord somewhat more durable (Try playing both you'll feel the difference straight away) but it also has both better ST dps AND better AoE dps.

    It also has a leap back that refreshes.

    Pulls (which are extremely game breaking)

    And the ability to defer death.

    Another clear example of how totally broken Warlord is in respect of even souls within its own calling.
    it is because warriors are gimped.. Most of the other souls are borderline unplayable in and outside of niche play. Why do you think that most warrior is warlord over everything else? It isn't because it is as OP as you think. it is because it works the best in the current design of the game. IMO, the only real problem I see is cleric pocket healing warriors. They can lose a lot of the survival but if they maintain pocket healer it is virtually no change at all. Only players that will suffer in warrior not receiving healing. which just means a few less seconds on the frontline.

    The damage has been tested back and forth. It is actually very weak in comparison to some range spec which have FULL uptime on the target because of the way this game does carebear range damage with no penalty to burst. Can do full burst at max range which it should force players to move in to do it. And also tab targeting which means unlike other games which you can actually dodge some attacks as melee with movement. Tab targeting + no range penalties = the most carebear type of pvp.

    Sorry to say this but it only takes a simple nerf to warrior and we will be back to mostly full uptime range dps vs. dps like the whole year of SL before warlord get buffed. Trion may end up doing this anyway because they only care to please the 80% range crowd although there is an entire game mode dedicated to range vs range called CONQUEST.
    Last edited by Planetx; 05-04-2014 at 01:35 AM.

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    Champion is a pretty weak soul in PvP, with the nerfs to aoe damage it kind of makes your argument pretty moot.



    What im personally getting from this thread:

    1. Champion aoe is not beating warlord damage. Buff champion.

    2. There is officially 6 people now in rift with a 61 champion build in PvP.

    3. You still have not figured out after endless explanations how to create an argument based off irrefutable facts.

    [example] "how much did you pay that sub par warrior to purposely do less damage then the warlord so you can make a thread about it?" "OOhhh.. that's YOUR totally unbiased warrior performance?".
    Last edited by Pocketzoar; 05-04-2014 at 02:34 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Planetx View Post
    it is because warriors are gimped.. Most of the other souls are borderline unplayable in and outside of niche play. Why do you think that most warrior is warlord over everything else? It isn't because it is as OP as you think. it is because it works the best in the current design of the game. IMO, the only real problem I see is cleric pocket healing warriors. They can lose a lot of the survival but if they maintain pocket healer it is virtually no change at all. Only players that will suffer in warrior not receiving healing. which just means a few less seconds on the frontline.

    The damage has been tested back and forth. It is actually very weak in comparison to some range spec which have FULL uptime on the target because of the way this game does carebear range damage with no penalty to burst. Can do full burst at max range which it should force players to move in to do it. And also tab targeting which means unlike other games which you can actually dodge some attacks as melee with movement. Tab targeting + no range penalties = the most carebear type of pvp.

    Sorry to say this but it only takes a simple nerf to warrior and we will be back to mostly full uptime range dps vs. dps like the whole year of SL before warlord get buffed. Trion may end up doing this anyway because they only care to please the 80% range crowd although there is an entire game mode dedicated to range vs range called CONQUEST.
    most warriors are warlord because you can macro all your **** into 1 button and **** rotations and it's tankier and more forgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocketzoar View Post
    Champion is a pretty weak soul in PvP, with the nerfs to aoe damage it kind of makes your argument pretty moot.



    What im personally getting from this thread:

    1. Champion aoe is not beating warlord damage. Buff champion.

    2. There is officially 6 people now in rift with a 61 champion build in PvP.

    3. You still have not figured out after endless explanations how to create an argument based off irrefutable facts.

    [example] "how much did you pay that sub par warrior to purposely do less damage then the warlord so you can make a thread about it?" "OOhhh.. that's YOUR totally unbiased warrior performance?".
    i'm not entirely convinced this post was typed by zoar cause there aren't any spelling mistakes

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    Here's how warriors see it:

    Warlord - PVP viable
    Champion - Not viable.

    That's about it.

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    I have to give props to you Virulent. Instead of making the same olé argument over and over again in thread after thread like drakanish did, which got all but one of his posts locked, you've at least disguised your attempts at trying to use your own sub-par play with different angles with each new thread.

    What's your next thread topic going to be? Warriors are OP because they have the most letters? Oh I know, I've on several occasions out healed the entire warfronts, with a WARRIOR, Nerf Now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liandell View Post
    It just looks like Omniback outperformed you. Guess that's why you want his soul nerfed.
    Yeah because having relatively equal stats when it comes to K/D's, Damage taken and healing taken is completely irrelevant.

    Where do some of you people crawl out of, seriously.
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    Nerf Toyota NASCAR racing!!!!! My friends and myself took a bunch of Camrys out and we were faster than everyone else on the freeway!!!!

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