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    Default Pls bring back premade WF

    Not like some people who like to be a rambo, a "1 man army" I find joy in the team work. If you think its not fun when being crushed, then its not also when me and a fellow, which only 2 know what to do in KR managed to destroyed 2/3 objects, and trying to call out an escort for the last one while we're dominating the mid and have both stones for 3m, but seem like the group are a bunches of non-English speakers who only care about shotting the first red they can tab. We lost finally as you can imagine.

    So here are my suggestions:
    - Pres and Favor, maybe even gold/plat bonus for pre-made. Duo: x1.25 / Group of 3: x1.5 / Of 4: x1.75 / Of 5: x2... and so on. If they have to wait longer in queue, then its fair if they can get more curencies.
    - Make some WF pug only, like Black Garden Fang of Regulos, Duo pre-made and pug only, like BG Dominate. Pug and up to group of 5 pre-made, like Libary/Karthan Ridge/Whitefall. Pug and up to group of 10 pre-made like Codex/Port Scion.
    - Match pre-made with pre-made first. If there isnt a 10vs10 after 3m, then match 10vs5+5, or 5+3+2... Finally, if the pre-made has waited for over 30m, match it with pug as the final choice.
    - Try to match groups with balance classes. 1 side with 3 clerics, a mage... while the other with all rogues and warriors doesnt look fun. It's not a MUST to have all tank/healer/support/damage in 1 group, but at least, make it like... match 2 players in queue, then put each in 1 group, instead put the next one in queue in group A, then next one in group B, without comparing classes and spec. Ex: 1st in queue: a cleric with healing spec, 2nd in queue, a dps warrior, 3rd, a dps mage, 4th a support/dps rogue, 5th a cleric with healing spec, the matching should search for players with the same role first, in this case 2 healer and 3 dps, then and only after it has a pair of the same role, it put each player of that role in 1 side. Next is 3 dps, but since the rogue behind the warrior and mage in the line, he'll have to wait till the matching could find another player with support or dps role to match with him. Yes a cleric with a healling spec might not want to heal, but use his dps spec, but this give us more change.

    I think I've done my best to avoid pre-made vs pug but also encorage team work, so both playstyles can have fun. Yes still, sometime pug or duo will have to fight with pre-made groups, but if you cannot take it, you can 1- queue pug WF only; 2- stop pvp; and 3-the best choice for both of your joy and the game also- is join a pvp guild that do WF pre-made. Why this is good for the game? Because in my exp, what make a player stick with a MMORPG is friends, and where to make a close knit friendship if not in a guild, in a pre-made pvp group, where you fight and die together, where you can yell on the voice chat "OMG BOB SAVE ME BABY!! Thank you, I <3 you." right?

    I hope this will not become a flaming thread, because Im realy serious trying to make this game more enjoyable to more players.
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    This... will not end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mei View Post
    This... will not end well.
    LOL nope. Why would it. Some people just cant see the writing on the wall.
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    The main issues I see for PM'ds are not the casual PM'ds just running with friends, but the ultra serious ones looking for competition. Bluntly put, there are not enough pvp competitors in game (sadly) so a well put together comp will destroy most Pugs it gets thrown into-which does happen from time to time. No fun for either side.


    What I would actually like to see, and suggest for PM'ds-if they ever get a 5's WF going-is random calling/soul queing. Not sure if they could implement it, but I"m sure they have the capability.

    Kind of like some card games like MTG you have tournaments where you can't bring your perfect, preselected cards to the game, but rather everyone opens new cards and has to put together a deck on the spot. For example:

    The game can randomly generate what souls get locked out and what ones you can put together. Both sides would have the same options, and in the end you would have to compete against your enemies with whatever you could put together in x amount of time. Couldn't hurt the game-would encourage people buying more soul slots for premade builds, and would truly promote skill over composition. Would add flavor as well to put your souls together in x amount of time before beginning. Awesome idea +1. Would also like to see an 8's or so for more soul variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrastion View Post
    The main issues I see for PM'ds are not the casual PM'ds just running with friends, but the ultra serious ones looking for competition. Bluntly put, there are not enough pvp competitors in game (sadly) so a well put together comp will destroy most Pugs it gets thrown into-which does happen from time to time. No fun for either side.
    I understand that, but give these pre-made encourage ideas a few months, people will start to pre-made more, learning their roles and learning to co-operate in a group. Then we'll have more competitiors and competitions. Casual players can still queue for pug only and duo/pug WF. Even if they queue for 5 or 10 pre-made group WF, with the 3rd idea I suggested, they can still have more change to end up in a group of 5+3+1+1, not a totally pug, so they still have more change to not being totally crushed.
    Last edited by Thorhend; 11-13-2013 at 07:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrastion View Post
    The main issues I see for PM'ds are not the casual PM'ds just running with friends, but the ultra serious ones looking for competition. Bluntly put, there are not enough pvp competitors in game (sadly) so a well put together comp will destroy most Pugs it gets thrown into-which does happen from time to time. No fun for either side.


    What I would actually like to see, and suggest for PM'ds-if they ever get a 5's WF going-is random calling/soul queing. Not sure if they could implement it, but I"m sure they have the capability.

    Kind of like some card games like MTG you have tournaments where you can't bring your perfect, preselected cards to the game, but rather everyone opens new cards and has to put together a deck on the spot. For example:

    The game can randomly generate what souls get locked out and what ones you can put together. Both sides would have the same options, and in the end you would have to compete against your enemies with whatever you could put together in x amount of time. Couldn't hurt the game-would encourage people buying more soul slots for premade builds, and would truly promote skill over composition. Would add flavor as well to put your souls together in x amount of time before beginning. Awesome idea +1. Would also like to see an 8's or so for more soul variety.
    That sounds like alot of fun. Where do I sign up for that (lol). That would bring in a whole new dimension of teamwork and communication. Add in some kind of reward system and thats a winner. +1 Wrastion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrastion View Post
    The main issues I see for PM'ds are not the casual PM'ds just running with friends, but the ultra serious ones looking for competition.
    Don't worry, they all already left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorhend View Post
    I understand that, but give these pre-made encourage ideas a few months, people will start to pre-made more, learning their roles and learning to co-operate in a group. Then we'll have more competitiors and competitions. Casual players can still queue for pug only and duo/pug WF. Even if they queue for 5 or 10 pre-made group WF, with the 3rd idea I suggested, they can still have more change to end up in a group of 5+3+1+1, not a totally pug, so they still have more change to not being totally crushed.
    Start adding PUGS in it's no longer a premade. That is the point of a premade you either have 5 or 10 already or you dont. No matter how you try it and how nice someone is about it,95% of PUGS dont listen to sound strategy. They just dont care enough. Like Wrastion said the player base just isnt there. And most PUGS would rather go it alone anyway, they dont want to have to listen to a premade say do this and do that. Not that their listening anyway, then the PUGS get blamed and raged on. And eventually stop playing which hurts everyone. Im all in favor of PM vs PM. Add in PUGS and a bad situation is developing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valnak View Post
    Don't worry, they all already left.
    they my have quit playing, but they still infect these boards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrastion View Post
    Kind of like some card games like MTG you have tournaments where you can't bring your perfect, preselected cards to the game, but rather everyone opens new cards and has to put together a deck on the spot. For example:

    The game can randomly generate what souls get locked out and what ones you can put together. Both sides would have the same options, and in the end you would have to compete against your enemies with whatever you could put together in x amount of time. Couldn't hurt the game-would encourage people buying more soul slots for premade builds, and would truly promote skill over composition. Would add flavor as well to put your souls together in x amount of time before beginning. Awesome idea +1. Would also like to see an 8's or so for more soul variety.
    I like this idea a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronos v View Post
    they my have quit playing, but they still infect these boards.
    You act like what you do is any better.

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    dfs, log in game and let's stomp some pugs i have recorded a video with you in it stomping pugs with me with chinese pop music in the background

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mire View Post
    dfs, log in game and let's stomp some pugs i have recorded a video with you in it stomping pugs with me with chinese pop music in the background
    I'll be down tomorrow night. PM me on steam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulreavertw99 View Post
    Start adding PUGS in it's no longer a premade. That is the point of a premade you either have 5 or 10 already or you dont. No matter how you try it and how nice someone is about it,95% of PUGS dont listen to sound strategy. They just dont care enough. Like Wrastion said the player base just isnt there. And most PUGS would rather go it alone anyway, they dont want to have to listen to a premade say do this and do that. Not that their listening anyway, then the PUGS get blamed and raged on. And eventually stop playing which hurts everyone. Im all in favor of PM vs PM. Add in PUGS and a bad situation is developing.
    IŽll not trying to tell them what to do in that case. Sometime even a duo could change a random pug WF. I've seen a duo healer-tank stole 3 stones in whitefall turn the table on their own, while the pugs of both side were in their bloodrage near the base. Or a trio/duo take and def a post in BG domination for the whole fight, breaking waves and waves of enemies trying to re-take it. A few pugs along with pre-made wont change anything, on the brighter sigh, they even being carry by the pre-made.

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