The Problem with removing Exp Lock

[Meina]

It's interesting that you figured all this out! Source?

I figured it out all by my lonesome. Most is based on common sense, some based on personal experience and quite a bit is based on simple logic.

It all boils down to;

Why do people play this game?
Why would people quit this game?
And where does XP locking fall in this equation and how does it influence a person's choice of whether or not to continue playing the game?

If you would like to discuss specific points, I'm all ears. The whole idea is to spur discussion.

I make no claims outside of "This makes a helluva lot of sense to me". I also do not claim to be quoting any specific person or source.

Which reminds me...

I'm still waiting for a source for this little gem.

Locking your EXP at the last level of a bracket to stay in that bracket to gain an advantage is an exploit. that's why it's being removed, trion said it them self's

[Nefelia]

Why quit reading?

I value my time, and don't enjoy wasting time hitting my wall against brick walls and wallowing in useless hostility. Starting a post with an insult erects a red flag that tells me no useful discussion will be taking place.

Place your logical and persuasive arguments first, and then add a barb at the end if you must. Leading with an insult just screams troll.

Any other questions?

(see, barb placed at end)

[SolversPet]

I get that this is a super old thread, the horse is dead and no one cares.... BUT...

Wouldn't it have been better, (not easier but BETTER), for TRION to adjust how some of the gear works rather than make people play the game in a way that they don't want to?

Am I really that bad for the game because I like running around in the level 19 WF and don't really want to progress? Some information for you, I have good gear, but nothing that can't be gotten by any other level 19. I have PVP gear from the vendors, I have Freemarch Rep gear, i have freemarch puzzle and cairn gear and some level 19 crafted items with tier 1 augs and enchants. I get wrecked by some of the twinks in my WF's. and I in turn wreck people that are level 11 in greens.

The people that destroy me have all crafted gear, with Skill 300 purple augments, and Reputation enchants from icewatch and mathos. why not just change how those super high end augs and enchants work on low level gear and then let people play where they wanna play?

I'm done ranting now...
SolversPet.

[Meina]

I get that this is a super old thread, the horse is dead and no one cares.... BUT...

Wouldn't it have been better, (not easier but BETTER), for TRION to adjust how some of the gear works rather than make people play the game in a way that they don't want to?

Am I really that bad for the game because I like running around in the level 19 WF and don't really want to progress? Some information for you, I have good gear, but nothing that can't be gotten by any other level 19. I have PVP gear from the vendors, I have Freemarch Rep gear, i have freemarch puzzle and cairn gear and some level 19 crafted items with tier 1 augs and enchants. I get wrecked by some of the twinks in my WF's. and I in turn wreck people that are level 11 in greens.

The people that destroy me have all crafted gear, with Skill 300 purple augments, and Reputation enchants from icewatch and mathos. why not just change how those super high end augs and enchants work on low level gear and then let people play where they wanna play?

I'm done ranting now...
SolversPet.

Trion was doing just that before they decided to switch to the mentoring system. They had already applied level requirements to several items and, I assume, they would have continued to do so to more items if they had planned to keep XP locking in place.

As I've said earlier, I honestly don't think the mentoring system was created to specifically quash twinking. I think it's just a case of Trion moving to what they think is a better system for allowing players to stick around or go back and experience low level content at the appropriate level.

[SlayerExops]

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Without exp lock, noone has any reason to 'stay around awhile' and 'twink out. PvP was used as a emans to fast track exp, and with the intro of IA's, IA"s will be better and faster exp. Thus, low level warfronts will die.

Except that a lot of people think that Warfronts are genuinely fun and would rather do that than PvE. Even if it takes a little longer to level up it seems as if it goes faster than grinding in PvE. I'm not saying that everyone enjoys Warfronts as much as I do, however.

[Starsong]

I get that this is a super old thread, the horse is dead and no one cares.... BUT...

Wouldn't it have been better, (not easier but BETTER), for TRION to adjust how some of the gear works rather than make people play the game in a way that they don't want to?

Am I really that bad for the game because I like running around in the level 19 WF and don't really want to progress? Some information for you, I have good gear, but nothing that can't be gotten by any other level 19. I have PVP gear from the vendors, I have Freemarch Rep gear, i have freemarch puzzle and cairn gear and some level 19 crafted items with tier 1 augs and enchants. I get wrecked by some of the twinks in my WF's. and I in turn wreck people that are level 11 in greens.

The people that destroy me have all crafted gear, with Skill 300 purple augments, and Reputation enchants from icewatch and mathos. why not just change how those super high end augs and enchants work on low level gear and then let people play where they wanna play?

I'm done ranting now...
SolversPet.

The problem that pro twinkers never seem to get is, yes that gear can be obtained but in order to do so the person would have to EXP lock to gear out and be able to be competitive. So you would be forcing people that do not want to EXP lock to have to do so in order to be able to compete at all. That is not the same thing as progressing your gear as you level up and after you hit 50. It is halting your progress to be competitive for a short period of time in each bracket while you level up. Does not make sense to do that at all for people that are not planning on being twinks and is a complete and huge waste of time.

[puredeath]

With 1.9 and the subsequent death of 'twinking' low level warfronts will become a wasteland. If you think that all the people scared off by 'twinks' will return and pick up low level PvP to accelerate through levels, do I have a different story for you.

and i got a different story for you. some of us who dont twink but do pvp will always be there no matter what. people like myself(and i know im not the only one) who lvl 10 to 50 pure pvp nothing but then abandon our 50(cause the prestiege system is that bad) and reroll. hell i just came back from quiting for 3 months cause of that prestiege system being that bad so now theres 0 chance ill ever play a 50 again ever. highest i got was rank 19 steath rogue and i was still getting 1 shot. i got 1 shot from a healer so i quit) twinking being gone wont kill pvp and yes your right it wont bring people back because we never left. we HATE you for destroying our fun but we will always continue to que anywayz because we LOVE to pvp that much and look forward to the day twinks will finally be gone. good riddence.

With the upcoming 1.9 pacth, low level instant adventures will be introduced. And since people can no longer 'exp lock, the only real option is to level. And so...people will naturally choose the easiest path of advancement. Wait 20 minutes for a PvP queue, or wait 3 secs (roughly) for a IA pop. Again, path of least resistance, people will naturally choose the IA's and hence, less people will queue for low level PvP. After all, its only about progression, correct?? So, PvP = slow exp, and IA's equal fast track exp.

if you want to get technicle i bet questing is twice as fast as pvping to 50. i quest lvl'd my warrior cause reaver/pally was just to f'en fun took me 3 days and not even 1/2 the 3day day to hit 50. think my current mage is on like day 5 and hes only lvl 37 doing pvp only 10 to 50 so ya i bet if you want a fast track questing will probably get you there with way less resistence 3 shoting ****** npc's then fighting for every kill in a wf's specially x0 to x3 so your logic is flawed. people will always choose the path they want to choose.

its like i told a guildy today who wanted me to raid. when they come up with a boss with a brain that says smash healer 1st dps 2nd forget tank and use his spells properly mabey then ill think on trying it but atm its just a lame boring script that you do every time you go to that place to me is outright boring. when i played wow i literly slept through kara. im not even kidding you. was so boring id be 90% asleep before 1st boss and sometimes i wouldnt even make it there. after like the 1st month i said f it left the guild and went solo from then on out and did nothing but bg's.

so ya if i gotta wait 20 mins for a wf to pop no prob even though i doubt it will. hell sometimes early in the morning ive waited like a hour for a wf to pop only to time out to not enough people and what did i do? re que again. i just surf the web while i wait or watch a show. sure IA's would be faster but my goal isnt speed or even getting to 50 at all anymore. for me its strickly entertainment. you go out and bore yourself to death on that npc that in IA insta dies or questing dies in 3 shots both with 0 resistence at all well have fun and good luck with that 1 ill stick to my pvp thank you.

oh and btw theres not alot of you twinks out there just so you know. theres a few in each bracket but i very rarely actually see a whole twink premade and yes i have seen those so you all being gone wont affect the majority of us who lvl pvp for fun. ya i see the few of them that are always there in each bracket when i run my new toon through the system and i have a little smile to myself saying ya go ahead and farm be now cause by x5 ill be hunting you and by x8 ill be farming you cause most twinks honestly do suck at pvp. there are some pretty damn good/great ones but most suck.

Ok, now, those PvP'ers that mixed PvP during their course of leveling now no longer have tons of favor to even buy the low level PvP gear to jump into level 50's with in order to be remotely competative, so now, you have P40's (50's) with a healthy appetite for new blood munching on the tears of those who have not been subjected to teh horror that is competative PvP in the 50's bracket.

did you know none twinks cant even buy the pvp gear cause even at 40 you probably dont have the rep to get the lvl 35 gear so at 45 you cant get the 40 gear and i bet even at 50 you cant get the 40 gear but can finally get that lvl 35 gear all because that rep system is that broken? this is coming from experience. im now on my 6th toon(4 of 6 did or is doing 10 to 50 pvp only) so i know 1st hand. sure each zone also has pvp gear but the planar gear is twice as good at least or at 42/45/48 planar gear set is godly specially with its crystal but pvp gear(no set there) blows

Just today, and I don't give two flying figs, I joined with a level 50 I had never PvP'd with and had a solid build built on experience and knowledge gleaned through people's unintentional feedback on the forums. Through exptensive knowledge and research I played my rogue in her first PvP match.

*I* knew what was going to happen. *I* knew my chances of kill vs getting killed. I didn't whine complain or gripe about the wilted balance in this bracket. I knew that there would be P40's (not that I was checking) and I knew as a P1, I had a snowball's chance in the viod of actually being viable in my game. I was non-plussed about eating turf the 7 times I was killed. (*^_^*....I walked into a warriors riftblade....oops. Yes, I should know better. In my defense, I have *just* returned )

So now, you have regularly ungeared and now unknowledgable people joining the level 50's ranks that will complain, complain, complain because the matches are soooo widley unbalanced that it make many quit. The rude awakening to this brick wall of PvP advancement will make twinking a joke.

the prestige system takes twinking to a whole nother 10 lvls beyond outright ******ed. you look at it as a rank 40 vs a rank 1. i look at it as a lvl 50 vs a lvl 1 so i definately agree with you completly here and its why ill never play a 50 ever. for me its abandon/reroll and enjoy 10-49 pvp all over again. like i said earlier i just came back from quiting 3 months over a healer 1 shotting my rank 19 assasin rogue. i could take all the 1 shots no prob cause eventually imma start murdering people but A F"EN HEALER F NO so now on this return ive said to myself ill never ever bother playing another 50 and i mean ever untill the pres system is outright gone. ill take x9 twinks all day everyday no prob but ill be damned if im gonna ever have anything to do with that pres system ever again.

even conquest wont bring me back. even this so called buff you will get in 1.9 that boosts you to pres 36(think it was) wont bring me back cause imma outright boycott it till that system is outright gone and replaced with something like wow pvp season setup. them even needing tp add that buff shoulda been a eye opener to them on how flawed that system is but i guess they have to much pride in it to realize how fail it really is and scrap it. ya i know this 1 will be my loss cause im stuborn but i refuse to support a system built to have you be 1 shot for 30+ levels just to 1 shot in the end. 1 shot and pvp should never ever and i mean absolutely E V E R be allowed in any pvp system E V E R and i wont support it

[Meina]

Couple quick questions for puredeath...

1) How many people do you there are that feel the same way you do? Specifically, I mean people that level 10 to 50 via WF's, delete their toons then rinse and repeat.

2) If you hate end game PvP that much, and you enjoy low level WF's as much as you say, why didn't you XP lock and just stick around in the low level WF's?

[Violacea]

I feel like making a long term commitment to this game, and then start saving threads now and in the recent past. Then some era 3 years later I can just start posting in threads saying, hey, you are thread #4502 that says the game is going to die if X doesn't change. Then show the proof in my epic note pad file and collection of screenshots.

Be like looking through old family slides.

- Oh Norma remember this one, this is when they said death was around the corner because of mercs. Ohhh just wait, soon I'll be getting to the twink slides!

- Oh my Ruth, what's a twink?!?

[aeio]

Leveling up an alt and not sucking at pvp I find twinks annoying. Most of them are not good at pvp thus they hang out in the lower tiers. That being said low level should allow players the opportunity to learn and grow. You do not make a compelling argument for keeping exp lock at all.

The idea that the lack of twinks would keep wfs popping is as silly as it is you think having all those twinks hiding out in low levels is a good thing,

Time to level up and stop hiding.

[puredeath]

Couple quick questions for puredeath...

1) How many people do you there are that feel the same way you do? Specifically, I mean people that level 10 to 50 via WF's, delete their toons then rinse and repeat.

2) If you hate end game PvP that much, and you enjoy low level WF's as much as you say, why didn't you XP lock and just stick around in the low level WF's?

1) atm theres 4 others in my guild i joined when i returned to game last week(1st guild ive ever joined btw so im trying to push myself to play more with others as part of a old goal) who when i said what i do with my toons said they do the same thing i do. others in my guild actually hate me because i abandon my 50s because they think they work so hard to get their toon to 50(LOL) and this guy just abandons his like its nothing.

2) now if 2 was me that would say i have no prob 1 shotting or farming people all day long and if thats said then why would i not enjoy the prestiege system to the point where i outright refuse to play that system ever? after all a max pres person farms a lvl 1 to (my max and most likely beyond) lvl 19 pres person like a lvl 50 would farm a lvl 1 hell id even go a lvl negative 10 its so bad. its the same as twinks. im sorry but i do not like it fun at all on either side of that fence.

1 shot all day long or being 1 shot all day long either way i like where both sides collide in a fight to the death not a steam roller with broken breaks and no intentions on fixing em. to me thats why i hate doing pve so much. questing for mobs even abit higher lvl then you is outright no competition and raids/dungeons sure they can hit hard but they got no brains and will react same way everytime always doing tank first like a moron. make me a raid/instance boss that thinks like a human and ill be there all day long like i am in wf's.

also to add to that i find it fun kinda like a rollercoaster in a way. x0 to x3 you dont really stand a chance but you can put up 1 hell of a fight before you go down and with some luck distract them enough so a buddy shows up to help or leave em dead enough for your late arival buddy to finish em off. x4 to x6 you start putting a hurt on those x8/9s and kicking the lower lvls in the nards abit. x7 to x8 your having a blast trying to kill everything that moves. by the time i hit x9 im running things over and cant wait to get back to the start(x0). hell on my last rogue at 49 i felt so much like a twink that i actually quit pvping and quested the last lvl.

[puredeath]

also i dont delete my toons either. i just abandon them to the status of bank alts pretty much as i as a major pack rat and even with 6 toons i have major bank space issues. if its not grey i keep it for the day i might need it. that not even mentioning my runecrafter whos always RB'ing everything i get and making runes cause i use those alot.

[Ravin]

"Decline in twinking will be decline in warfronts."

"Trying to get my twinking fun in while I can."

"Warfront pops already declining."

I'm confused......

[Ravin]

Also, I agree, at least 75% of the twinks I see are absolutely -horrid- at PvP.

Backpeddling, keyboard turning, some don't even use their buffs. But they still roll face, because they only have to hit ya twice.

Gooood stuff.

[zetans]

HI guys! Yes, I'm back. My return is a little more strategecal than simply I got bored elsewhere, but that's neither here nor there.

I am here to give an observation that will come to pass...'Mark my words'
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So, what you are saying is twinks are cowardly people who will only pvp when they have guaranteed that they have a massive advantage over the people they play against?

Says it all about Twinks really.

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