Fixing the Core Issue w/ Rift PvP

[Sebb]

But they do not have 11k health.

Also I hate that raid weapons are BiS for pvp.

With a end vial and 600 pa levels, I do. But Sabs easily out damage warriors when you normalize by healing taken. It's just that clerics have learned to focus heal warriors and others have not learned to focus sabs

[Kyera]

Scion is a time-inefficient favor generator. Including other warfronts brings the gearing threshold down.

For a gear and level-driven progression game, 50 hours of warfront time is not an unreasonable expectation for the 'half way' point, especially considering other potential avenues for favour generation (e.g. PvP daily quests, special event bonuses, vials). I would make the argument that a player can easily be competitive with the earliest tier of gear, though they have to rely on different roles, playstyles, and specs than one would gravitate towards at higher gear plateaus (because their offensive output is not going to be there).

If you told me that in 25 days of non-excessive play (after hitting 50) I'd be 'competitive', gear-wise, with people playing from launch, I wouldn't complain too loudly (actually, I'd think that was pretty solid), especially if a new bolstering system was going to be incorporated to help bring the floor up, and gear costs were actually being reduced, as is the case with the upcoming patch. I can tell you it took me far more than that length of time to get 'suitably geared' for some of the raid content (solo queuing and pugging -- playing with a guild sped things up, as it certainly can for warfront favor/prestige generation).

So I think that complaint does not hold particularly strong merit. A short time investment (one subscription cycle of moderate play) to hit the midpoint in PvP-gear competitiveness is not unreasonable or detrimental for the MMORPG model. If you don't like it, your issues are with the genre and not with Rift.

Edit: Also, the PvP rift complaint screams 'chase the carrot' to me. PvP rifts can make for good, locationally varying focal points to fight over, but kids just want the candy and if the candy isn't there they hide in their cities.

[Euthan]

With a end vial and 600 pa levels, I do. But Sabs easily out damage warriors when you normalize by healing taken. It's just that clerics have learned to focus heal warriors and others have not learned to focus sabs

I can easily break 11k in a SnB but not in the current FotM.

[Euthan]

I'll be sure to take screenshots next time as it occurred on more than one occasion. In fact, I'll do one better for you and will use Rift's YouTube integration to share a couple videos demonstrating my point. I will correct one thing, however. I did not say that a p40 Warrior outdamage a p40 Sabo in PS. I said that a Warrior I presumed was r40 outdamaged ME as Sabo in PS. I was wearing six pieces of top-end PvE gear and the rest was either and HK relic or ID gear. Going off of memory, the Warrior in question was a Mathosian that broke 800K damage done while I completed the Warfront just over 700K.

Also, there's no need to be brash in saying that I don't know my class. I do, in fact, understand my class quite well.

What rank are you?

800k in a PS is not a lot by any means.

And again to get the FotM damage you have to go full tilt DPS and you will not have 11k health

however I wil say that with a pocket healer warriors in the FotM can be devastating. But then again what DPS class couldn't cause major havoc with a pocket healer?

[Ashh]

I'll be sure to take screenshots next time as it occurred on more than one occasion. In fact, I'll do one better for you and will use Rift's YouTube integration to share a couple videos demonstrating my point. I will correct one thing, however. I did not say that a p40 Warrior outdamage a p40 Sabo in PS. I said that a Warrior I presumed was r40 outdamaged ME as Sabo in PS. I was wearing six pieces of top-end PvE gear and the rest was either and HK relic or ID gear. Going off of memory, the Warrior in question was a Mathosian that broke 800K damage done while I completed the Warfront just over 700K.

Also, there's no need to be brash in saying that I don't know my class. I do, in fact, understand my class quite well.

700k in PS? lol l2p... fyi that's not a lot. And that's coming from a pugging sab with NO pve gear or crystals and only 75 hit with runes.

[Synovia]

What rank are you?

800k in a PS is not a lot by any means.

And again to get the FotM damage you have to go full tilt DPS and you will not have 11k health

however I wil say that with a pocket healer warriors in the FotM can be devastating. But then again what DPS class couldn't cause major havoc with a pocket healer?

I'm currently R31. I wear Nihilist Helm, legs, boots, belt, neck, both rings and gloves. Everything else is HK relic or ID. If 800K is not a lot in Port Scion then I was extremely unlucky this weekend as nobody even got close to 1,000,000 damage done in any of the games I played - which I would have been aware of as I was actively competing as Sabo to try and be the top damage done and thus monitoring it closely.

[Khelendross]

700k in PS? lol l2p... fyi that's not a lot. And that's coming from a pugging sab with NO over gear or crystals and only 75 hit with runes.

I can count on two hands the number of times I've seen a sab break 700k in Scion. Its heavily dependant on the match itself. I've also seen a very small amount of matches where sabs (myself included) have done over 1 mil. The highest I've ever seen was close to 2 mil. But the majority of Port Scion matches the top parses are between 300 and 500k wether they are sab, mage or warrior (all are capable of producing huge numbers in Scion).

[Ashh]

I can count on two hands the number of times I've seen a sab break 700k in Scion. Its heavily dependant on the match itself. I've also seen a very small amount of matches where sabs (myself included) have done over 1 mil. The highest I've ever seen was close to 2 mil. But the majority of Port Scion matches the top parses are between 300 and 500k wether they are sab, mage or warrior (all are capable of producing huge numbers in Scion).

You are playing in some pretty terrible matches then because I broke 1 million several times this weekend alone. Currently sitting at #1 in my league in wf damage with over 30 million pretty much done with those weekends scions.

[Synovia]

You are playing in some pretty terrible matches then because I broke 1 million several times this weekend alone.

Congratulations on your ability to break 1,000,000 damage done in Port Scion. I promise you that not a single person in this thread cares much about your achievement and we think nothing more of you because of it. We're here discussing the PvP gear grind and, as a digression, we're discussing how it could be possible for a Warrior to out-damage a Saboteur in a Warfront. If you have something constructive to provide, please do so but please keep the e-peen tucked away.

[Ashh]

Congratulations on your ability to break 1,000,000 damage done in Port Scion. I promise you that not a single person in this thread cares much about your achievement and we think nothing more of you because of it. We're here discussing the PvP gear grind and, as a digression, we're discussing how it could be possible for a Warrior to out-damage a Saboteur in a Warfront. If you have something constructive to provide, please do so but please keep the e-peen tucked away.

Umadbro?

BTW people care as much about your blog as you claim they care about my achievements.

[Synovia]

Umadbro?

BTW people care as much about your blog as you claim they care about my achievements.

To be mad at you would be giving you far too much credit and attention. I'm going to add you to my "expansive" ignore list as its third, lifetime honorary member along with Tro44 and Spaceboots. Now THAT's an achievement so please enjoy it.

[Eughe]

You are playing in some pretty terrible matches then because I broke 1 million several times this weekend alone. Currently sitting at #1 in my league in wf damage with over 30 million pretty much done with those weekends scions.

You got 1mil in a bonus weekend.

There are times where neither side barely break 300k total during the week.
Its a match to match basis and a lot of people hate playing bridge to spam favor and rather go to the boss and end it quickly, just not usually on the weekend.

[Ashh]

To be mad at you would be giving you far too much credit and attention. I'm going to add you to my "expansive" ignore list as its third, lifetime honorary member along with Tro44 and Spaceboots. Now THAT's an achievement so please enjoy it.

Oh no what will I do?

/sarcasm

ITT: Self-important hipster advertises his blog that no one cares about, gets criticized, mad and adds me to his ignore list as if it matters.

[spaceboots]

Spaceboots.

wut

Well this guy is no longer allowed to my birthday parties. And I have a pony this year.

[Khelendross]

You are playing in some pretty terrible matches then because I broke 1 million several times this weekend alone. Currently sitting at #1 in my league in wf damage with over 30 million pretty much done with those weekends scions.

Do you want a cookie? Cause I can give you one if thats what you want?

I didn't do any Scion this weekend except one match late Sunday night. I spent the majority of the weekend in Guild Wars 2.

I dunno what wargroup you are in, maybe we have more low ranked sabs like myself in ours. I'm only rank 27. I know for sure that in Battlegroup most of the really big sab numbers I have seen posted were from Violecea.