Well said, admittedly I'm a newcomer. I'm simply stating what I have experienced, granted in a somewhat blundering way.
Originally Posted by Booniehat
I've been a fan of the Dev's for years, and I'm honestly disappointed they let something like this occur.
Like I said there are alternatives for the Level Locked, Over Geared Twinks. The most effective and prominent would be Alternate WF's. This system has already been tested in other games and has been very effective in satisfying the needs of the Twinks vs. The average gamer.
Riftstorm + Riftwalk is out of control, other than that, especially with mercenary system, the warfronts are usually pretty fun.
Might I suggest locking your xp for an afternoon and running some dungeons? I just got a hammer yesterday from the rare equipment cache that was comparable to my one hand/off hand player crafted weapons with purple augments. The dungeon equipment is pretty good in a lot of cases. Also go do some puzzles and cairnes, that gear tends to have more of the secondary stats like +spell power or +crit, the flat secondary stat increases are very strong.
Last edited by ShalarLight; 04-24-2012 at 10:11 AM.
Originally Posted by Rizaz
What exactly is this unbalance you speak of? Anyone can exp lock. And with the possible exception of 10-19, anyone can obtain competitive gear in a few days. There are numerous guides that explain exactly how to do this. If you don't want to spend a few days gearing up for the sub-50 wf's, what are you going do to at 50 when it takes months?
Originally Posted by Hugatree
I play a twinked character at lvl 19, lvl 29 and lvl 39. I usually place in the upper range of damage total. The only time I place double what any other player is if I use my veteran favor potion to give me a 100% increase in my stats. I know you are trying to equate the player you mention in your post as having an unfair advantage (just look at his stats) due to twinking. But it could just as well have been because he drank his veteran favor potion which doubled his score.
Originally Posted by Hugatree
You are making many statements about twinks in Rift that I have found, through experience, just are not true. The only place where gear bracketing is out of hand is post level 50 where you have upper ranked players outright dominating lower rank players. Below level 50 the 10 level ranks of the warfronts are too narrow for a twink to dominate a warfront. Well coordinated teams, or experienced players still dominate those warfronts. It is so easy to twink in these lower level warfronts, takes a day maybe two at the most, that I am finding both sides of any warfront populated by what you would call twinks. It is really just a matter of learning to play warfront PvP in Rift.
I would say, again from personal experience, that xp locking and twinking has saved PvP in Rift.
Last edited by Riwijo; 04-24-2012 at 10:55 AM.
Some of you people are in for a very rude awakening when you reach 50.
Shield of Telara
If "twinking" saved pvp in Rift, why are you twinks afraid and opposed to seperate ques? Exactly, cause it did not save pvp in Rift and the twinks would disappear in a day with seperate ques. Stop trying to force your bull on people that don't believe it and don't want it.
You tell people if they don't like getting killed by a twink to exp lock and twink themselves, what if they don't want too. They are paying customers just like you and being forced into a playstyle that is and never has been advertised as part of the game.
Support seperate ques if you truly believe the garbage you people in favor of exp locking and twinking are spewing.
I don't think there are nearly enough PvPers playing warfronts today to have separate queues. Already you see the same names in every warfront, hour after hour.
It's a pretty small "pool" waiting to play. And if one side is well-geared, you are stuck with them for a long while.
Last edited by Jural; 04-24-2012 at 01:00 PM.
Haven't had a ranked match in forever... even one of those fake ranked matches.
Originally Posted by Jural
Yeah I think we should slow ques down some more so you don't have to learn to play..... Your decision how you play. XP locking is part of the game and so are twinks. So it sounds like you are the one trying to impose a playstyle. Instead why don't you learn to adapt to the game. I know how hard it is to adapt but anybody can do it, just like twinking.
Originally Posted by Starsong
Trion is probably not going to get rid of twinking until they've had a chance to see its effects. Twinks are a vocal minority. The silent majority of newbies are more likely to quit than throw good time after bad in an attempt to change the system.
Lowbie warfronts are like the Little Leagues of MMOs. Twinks are like grown men who continue to play at a Little League level thanks to loopholes in the rules. If you are a kid, or if you sympathize with kids, you decry the logic that led to these 6-foot monsters rampaging around the field, but talking to them doesn't get you anywhere. Their ranks are comprised of sociopaths, washouts, the physically untalented, the mentally ill. The ostracism they've faced hasn't deterred them from their choice. Some seem nice enough, but their contentions that this is their game, to play against each other, and that the children should wait a few years for their fun are puzzling.
In a way, though, they're right. It is their game. They've made it so by refusing to leave. Ordinary children tremble before the power of the manchild. The children are whispering among themselves. Fewer and fewer will take the field in the years to come. A child's potential is better realized in a more erstwhile game, one where he or she has room to learn and grow and breathe. But for the grown men on the fields, it's too late to learn and too frightening to change. In the setting sun you can see them them gamboling about, self-absorbed, ever apathetic to the plight of those they displace. You're welcome to set up a chair, if you like. They're going to be here a while.
Mann <Malevolence>, P80 Cleric
Be healed and be well.
I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. I returned to the game after several months on a Thursday, and by Sunday night I had bis gear in my level 29 cleric. I did it by following one of the various guides on how to obtain bis gear.
Originally Posted by Booniehat
Regarding the zone events, they are more common on the more highly populated servers. So do what I did and move to a more populated server. Or do the other thing that I did, which is to install the iPhone app. I win 2-3 corrupted sourcestones per day by spending about 15 minutes playing lootables.
There are a lot of misconceptions and misinformation floating around regarding geared toons in the sub-50 brackets. My advice for anyone having difficulty in these brackets is to spend a few minutes reading a guide on obtaining gear, install the iPhone app, lock your exp and spend a few days gearing up. At that point you'll be on a level playing field with everyone else, and you can start to enjoy the sub-50 brackets.
BTW: I've now played extensively in the sub-50 brackets and I can tell you that your specific build is just as important (or more) than your gear. Certain builds are simply much more viable than others. So do what I did: when you lose a fight to someone, go back and review your combat log and see what skills and rotation they used. From this you can easily infer their build and the macros they are using.
Last edited by nemesauce; 04-24-2012 at 03:31 PM.
btw: if someone has questions about playing a cleric or warrior in the 20-29 please feel free to me message me. i can help with gear, builds etc.
A little dramatic and judgmental, don't you think?
Originally Posted by MannSeastone
I stopped playing 50 warfronts because it I found it more fun to make a strong character in 5 days at 29, than to get slaughtered by P30s and p40s for a couple of months.
I think I made a smart choice. I now have a very competitive character, and it did not have to waste 200 hours as cannon fodder.
I have a p15 rogue, and a p19 mage.
Last edited by Jural; 04-24-2012 at 04:19 PM.
I agree. If it took less time to get endgame PvP gear, there would be less interest in exp locking. I know they want to reward people that have been playing for a long time, but there is substantial risk in allowing too much of a gear differential in endgame PvP gear. I believe that RR100 premades were one of the major factors in the decline of Warhammer Online PvP.
Originally Posted by Jural
BTW: I am making some assumptions here about the endgame PvP experience, since I don't currently play at 50. I've heard anecdotally that it can take months to get to P40 or whatever. If that is not correct, please let me know. I've only recently returned to the game. Thanks
Last edited by nemesauce; 04-24-2012 at 04:31 PM.